Awesome news. Great stuff. Really neat.

Mark I think that everyone on this board has been waiting for that post. It sounds like you will be showing up to the meeting in your boat, now its my turn keep your fingers crossed that I can make an intake fit tomorrow and it will happen.
OSO do the right thing and allow Tj (Ambusher) to post the pictures and video. I also think that Robert (blown1500) and Bobby Daniels AKA (Jack) should be allowed to post. And I think a lot of other people on this sight would agree.:D

I do plan on attending the meeting via boat!!! now keep in mind it looks pretty good from the outside -- i still need carpet and the stabbin cabin finished -- that should happen in the next week or so. ;-)

Good luck with your Intakes Velocity Mark!!!!

HIP HIP HURRAY
:D :chimp: :chimp: :D

Dunno......but I see people get banned for all sorts of stuff. So, let's say he made some doe while helping people out....so what. IF he mislead them to do so, then we have a problem. But, did you ever look yourself and see if he was or was not?? Perhaps he sells at cost and SAVES PEOPLE $$$. There is a fact for you.

Assumptions like what you have posted here are exactly the problem I see with this thread. And......if he did make $ and at the same time saved others $...what the hell is wrong with that?? If you were selling product A for $5 and some other guy was selling for $6 and you told me this and I was going to buy product A....why the hell would I not buy from you....and even more-so, what is it that you would have done wrong at this point? It's not like you are scamming me, so you make a buck or two....big deal. Most people should turn around and say "thank you" rather than crap the guy out.

I ask you this...do you have an income? Do you make $$? If you make $$, then why is Bobby not allowed. Does OSO make $$? Dustin Whipple, Dennis Moore, Kieth Eikert?????????????????? I doubt you give away anywhere near as much advice and products and save people as much $$ and headaches as he has!!!!

Some of the comments I have read I just don't understand...

ANd you know what is so stupid about this entire thing, I don't even know the guy, all I am doing is defending principle and a guy who seems to have done little wrong.

Sorry, I just don't get it...

Oh yeah...hey Nort........HeHeHe....:D :D ;)

Oooopss....sorry guys, I was writing my post as the others were posted.....I missed Mpejsa's posts....

GREAT NEWS!!!

I am very glad this has been resolved, to this point, to you satisfaction. Keep us posted. As mentioned above, I think that we are all glad to hear the outcome. Kudos to you for sticking it out and glad Power Marine did the right thing.

Happy boating, hope you enjoy the rest of the season:D

The tech section is less without Bobby D. Make him change his screen name and then let him come back, that is my suggestion.....maybe after a cooling off period or something.

Hope everyone has a favorable outcome from this and glad too see so many OSOer's use reason and be practicle. Thanks for making this site what it is....

Good day

Allan:D ;)

The hell with all this nonsence about Bobby Daniels

The motor now runs

How about JACK DANIELS FOR EVERYONE

Otis

Bob How's the TG feeling?

WOW............... ALAN I am on your side here. rember when CATMANDO got banned it was not because he talks trash or has a diffrent political veiw. It was because he was trying to get a group discount witha NON oso suporter so OSO was not making money from CATs good will twords his fellow boaters. I like Bobby and haave taled to him on the phone at great lenghs and on his dime. I want him back just the same as some others do. Have I had any $$$ dealings with him NO would I YES Just trying to help people see were the real BS is though the mirrors and smoke. Ever see a great magician make a tank or copter disaper in person? If you consintrate on one thing to much you dont notice the other things in plain site

sounds like Power Marine did everything possible to remedy the situation.

GOOD JOB GUYS!

glad it all worked out in the end for you mpejsa:)

Sorry Rag's if I misunderstood your post. My interpretation was that you thought he was in the wrong if he were to make $$ off a sale to an OSO'er. Hell, there is an entire section devoted to just that....hahahahahaha.......

Sorry man, and sorry to anyone else who took my post wrong as well.

Thanks, glad things are working out with the motor

A4:)

Glad to see this all worked out. Now off to the next Soap Opra :D

Jon

I have had good experiences thus far with "Blown 1500", "Ambusher" and "Bobby Daniels". I have bought several parts from these guys. At times, some of the orders have been messed up---their fault, but they have ALWAYS made good on them.

Mark/KAAMA

Wheeeeee Hopefully problem resolved.. but will warn you you stand on it ,it will break,,don't know what kind of power you pushing,,but take it from me hold it down long it'll break don't give a chit who built it.. Wtg Blown that showed everyone you would attempt to cure the problem. regiven the chance and hell i'm glad this is over.. i musta ate 20 bag's popcorn and dat butter i musta gained 100 lbs.

Thats great news Mark. Look forward to seeing you at the meeting.I am glad to see that people are standing behind what they say. I know these past few days have been hard for Jack and his family and Robert. Robert has done the right thing and Jack has hung in there while the post have been comming in. I would like to see them able to respond now to everything that has happened and start fresh. It is nice to see this matter CLOSED.

David Ledford

Glad to hear everything worked out. Now if we can get the board gods to do the right thing it would be a sweet ending for all. Whats to stop Blown and Bobby from coming back on under yet another name as "new" members. Blown did as he promised and made things right and everyone knows the story by now. Let them back on, their insight is missed.

hey vagrant,

Doesn't mike build engines too.

I'm glad everything worked out!
I personally would still do biz with Power Marine (if I had any!)...matter of fact...if Bobby D. still has that mega blower someone have him call me!!:D

But could I just get 2 things clarified:
1) They stiffed Whipple $14k?...what's up with that?:confused: Did Whipple do something that warranted non-payment? Did I read the posts correctly? If I didn't and I'm wrong, I apologize. If I'm correct...isn't that a little disturbing?
2) Did they outsource the engine rebuild?

I'm not being critical...this has been a very convoluted post (for me at least). So I'm a bit confused on some parts and just need closure.

To me, it sounds like it was just a one time bad deal...I haven't seen anything that should lead anyone to think that there is a history of shady business dealings.
Of course Steve is privvy to all sorts of info that we mere mortals aren't.
Very confusing. But at least the ending is a good one.

Glad everything worked out for Mark.
Steve filnally did the right thing and let me back on. Now he needs to let Bobby Daniels or Jack Bailey or whatever he wants him to sign up as back on. He never did ANYTHING that I know of but help me get the business started. For certain, Ambusher, his son did NOTHING.
No matter what, I will continue to stand by Marks motor and help him if I can.

Welcome back sir. I see you're trying to be a post whore right out of the box?:D ;)

1) To those who PM'd me with Bobby D's numbers..thank you all.
2) If anyone cares...I'll be speaking with him this evening to discuss the cam profile on my new 502's so we can set up the correct boost on some mega blowers he will be selling me. The guy can call himself Jack The Ripper for all I care...he's always been helpful to me, I haven't heard a bad thing about the man, and he seems genuinely NICE.

As for Whipple, we have our differences. None of you have the whole story, so please don't judge me.
We did not outsource any rebuilds. If you need detail about any engine I did, just tell me what you want to know and I will do my best to clear up any problem.
Also, (NOT MARK) if someone you are doing a job for says they don't have the money right now, is it OK to work on other projects untill they say the do have the money?

Robert : glad you are back. Let me say first i agree 100% about Bobby/Jack ! I still have not seen a reason for him being ousted.....
I have to ask you though......Why all the problems with Marks motor ? It seems these things are the norm with marine engine builders. Missed deadlines,no returned calls. So common it seems many of these guys just accept it. If i did that my customers would boot me in a heart beat !!! Not jumping on you....I just don't get it ?
I can't help but wonder what would have happened to Mark without OSO ? Thanks for your time.
Paul Francisco

birdog,
My sole attention is the engine work and my communications skills are not what they should be. Missed deadlines are part of the business because there are so many missed deadlines, BACKORDERS, and delays that are unforseen. Like work on Mark's boat. That had to be done, but now someone else's time is used. I offered to do the boat, just had a problem with TIME. The last time, I did not make it clear that I would stop what I was doing and work on Mark's boat, but could not finish it that night. I NEVER said I would not do anything necessary.

Robert
Glad to see you and Mark did the right thing. Sorry I never had the chance to stop by and see you that time. Maybe the next time I'm in the area.
BTW the easiest thing about time management is to know when to say no!

Dan

Too Old, I will not get into that here, but there is more to this than black and white or yes and no. I will not address this here again.
DanB, sorry I missed you! My one biggest problem is that I just cannot tell anyone I just dont have time when they just insist!!!!

I for one have had dealing with an engine builder I will never use again due to the storks of " It will be ready next week" Twice I went to pick up the parts & pay my bill but was talked out of it. After I was ready to kick myself for leaving the motor there I picked the pieces & went home & completed the motor in one night.

The engine builder I now use is somewhat better as to when he will get it done but not to the extent of the first engine builder.

For response to the above quote- Yes. I for one have never said I did not have the money & always picked up the motor the day of or the next day they said it was ready to go. The problem is constantly getting moved back in the lineup. Put me in line, tell me I have to wait 1, 2 or 3 months for it to be ready. When it comes my time get working on it & finish it. I know sometime you do one thing you can not order parts until something else gets done first since you will not know what is exactly needed. I have found for some reason I can get parts faster than the first engine builder I dealt with.

This has been an interesting thread, along with similar ones as of late.

I recall when Bobby Daniels first joined the board he was given the "who the hell are you" treatment. Over time he came to be respected and regarded as a good reference by many on the board. This thread hits and he get's crucified!

I don't blame Robert for not responding. Personally, if I were an engine builder, I wouldn't touch OSO with a ten foot crankshaft. :(

This post boils down to something very simple..........COMMUNICATION!!!!!!!!!!!

Randy
a.k.a. "Bad-Habit"

I have been reading this post but have not posted. I am not directly involved so I refrained myself. But now I would like to know for sure if there were used parts put in this motor when originally built?

just about every engine built has some used parts in it, Block, Heads, sometimes valves, springs, intake, ex. manifolds, hell if you have a good set of pushrods i dont have a problem with using them again, so whats the big deal????? you think for 4 grand you can build an all new engine???? it would be hard
Mark
And by the way, I am glad Robert and Mark worked it out, my hat is off to you for that one robert!!!!

I'm afraid that my post spread the idea that the motor got outsourced. This had been a hard thread to follow, and at one point Mark had said that the motor had been sent to another guy for assembly (but later said that it came back to Power Marine who did the assembly - or something like that).

I didn't mean to spread misinformation, as that particular post was supposed to be "more" about the piling on and guys getting banned.

We also don't know for sure that the pushrods are used. Mark's pushrod post spoke of them as being used because they failed because of presumed existing worn surfaces. It has recently been pointed out that the pushrods failed because some of the brand-new rockers had defects that caused an oiling problem with the pusrods. We have heard, however, that all of the pushrods have been replaced as well as the rockers.

At least that is what I've been able to figure out by re-reading some of the posts...

Great post MrOffshore!!!

To all that are inquiring,

To clarify about the current debt of Power Marine/Robert Horne, there are no 2 sides, it's very simple. Power Marine bought a couple of 500 HP EFI kits, MEFI3 computers, misc. parts on an open account and then never made payment. The only effort was on Jack Bailey's part, he gave Power Marine some parts that he had left over from some other kits, he sent these in for credit towards Roberts account which we applied to the account long, long ago. These were small parts, and we normally don't return parts after 30 days, especially custom ordered pieces, but we did in this case to help out.

After repeated calls, we were fed many lies, from theft, waiting on the "big" jobs to finish, refinancing the house, borrowing money from the bank, etc. In one phone conversation, I was asked to forward customers to him and then he could make money from these sales, that money would then go to us. I was not having any of that, I wasn't getting any deeper nor would I send customers to somebody that acted as if they could go bankrupt anytime. In that same conversation, I made it very clear that I want to be paid and I was told that I "would have to sue him to get the money" if I don't help him. Also, if I turned him into the creditors, he would just file bankruptcy so I couldn't get it. I was shocked that somebody who agreed 100% that he owed us the exact dollar amount at that time and for all that I had done to help out would just flat out say they weren't gonna pay. It was amazing, I said very clearly "you agree you owe me the money?" Robert would reply, "yes I do." This problem came from the customer who bought the superchargers, ECU's, etc. The ECU's were sent to us to reprogram (this was awhile after being installed and paid for by the customer to Power Marine), we refused to recalibrate them and we wanted to keep them because they were purchased from us, they were in our eyes "stolen" because they were not paid for. After talking to a lawyer and the customer, we found that we could not legally do that because the customer had bought them from Power Marine and he paid his bill. So, we overnighted the ECU's with a new cal and the customer was happy and also understood the predictiment. He also helped us with paper work and some more information regarding Robert Horne.

When I got word that he was telling customers our product was no good while still calling to try and get kits and parts, I posted a "beware" sometime ago, I got a reply that said I was a liar, Daddy's boy, sold kits that don't work, and I owed him for all his time fixing our problems. Never once was this brought up while we talked about the money. Nor did I ever refuse to help in anyway until the account became very deliquent. This was an odd comment because I had always jumped through hoops, sold things at cost, given parts away, labor for free or little charge, and when there were problems, I was always quick to helping in anyway shape or form. They had my cell phone #, called me on weekends, while I was vacationing, after work, etc. and I always did whatever I could to help. Almost everything they did was custom, very little was ever a "off-the-shelf" product and that made things always more difficult and far more time consuming on both parties, certainly not more profitable on our part. They also had 2-3 people ordering the same parts at different times and they didn't know each were ordering, so we would build duplicates of custom items, would ship it, they would be refused, etc. I'll take the blame for that, I didn't require them to fax PO's, but towards the end, we required them too because we were losing money at an alarming rate with the shipping losses, labor, etc.

I have other accounts in the marine industry that always pay there bills, when things get backed up, a little short, we work with them because we have the confidence in them paying and they tell us the truth. We told Robert the same, just give us a game plan. Thats were the lies began and it has drug on and on. He once offered to make payments in the neighborhood of $100-200 a month, I told him to start just because I thought something was better than nothing, but that never surfaced. It was some what of a joke on such a large debt, were not a bank and we certainly don't make enough profit to finance that type of money.

This is the truth, no stretches. I still want to be paid, I have not increased the dollar amount with all my losses, I have not charged intrest to the debt, its the same as it was. The productd is working on the customers boat and we have supported the product after the fact.

If Jack Bailey or TJ Bailey were available for comment, they would agree that this was the truth. From what I've been told by Roberts family, I'm certainly not the only one that is owed money and that they were tired of bailing him out. I've had a long relationship with the Baileys (Jack and TJ), they've been great customers and loyal supporters of our product. Although it's an odd situation, we have maintained a good relationship with Jack and TJ. They swore to me that Robert would not work on our products anymore. I have an email as well from Robert from a short time ago that said I just needed to give him more time and that he would pay, I didn't put much into it because I've heard that so many times and the "grace" period has ended well over a year ago.

So in the end, as you can see, were just trying to get paid, were a very reputable company, we've always stood behind our product, we've always bent over backwards to help. When problems arise, we try our best to work through it, solve it, and learn from it while building a better relationship with our dealer or customer for future business. Were human, we run into problems just like everybody else, but believe me, I put my name and company on the line, this is a very simple case of a person not paying his bill and at the same, they have made no reasonable effort to pay for the products that they turned, sold and were paid in full for. I have very strong feelings for people not paying there bills and not resolving them in timely manners.

Hope this clears things up.

Thanks,
Dustin

Thanks Dustin,

You are well respected and I would hope that clears this up for all of us.

Being in business I fully understand where you are coming from on bad dept.

I to look at it as someone as stolen from you. Too bad the law does not, it would surely make it a better world.

Mark

Thank you for the post Dustin. We are all trying to sort thru alot of info with this ordeal, and your addition certainly helps.

I am in business for myself as are many others on the board and understand that outstanding balalnces loose value over time. It costs alot of $ to have poor receivables. Cash Flow....so to speak.

I would like to see a response from Robert on this.

I am very glad to see you have good things to say about the Bailey's, what you have writen is pretty much what I have found thru my research.

Sure wish this thing would end soon.......but I understand if it does not...

ALLAN:)

formula,

I guess you will never get it no matter how many times I explain it to you. I did not realize that Jack is banned, however, Bobby Daniels is indefinately!!

Sorry I guess I didn't get it either. Thanks Steve for setting it straight. Now I have to go out and order new OSO stickers for the ones I tore off the side of my boat. :hothead:

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