Diesel Performance Chips from 'Boot'
 

I feel compelled to write something about the performance chip I just purchased from OSO member 'Boot'. I know, you are thinking this is going to be negative, but no, just the opposite. I have had 3 Power Strokes in the past 4 years and started off with a Superchip in an F350 Dually, a Diablo Sport in an Excursion and than another Diablo Sport in my new F350. I purchased all of them for towing so I and was told I was getting a 65hp upgrade from the Superchip and Diablo Sport. I definitely feel there was a decen improvement from stock.
So, when I decided to try something else, I was told to contact Joe (Boot) for direction on what to get. Joe was very honest with me and said he would sell me any of the above and then some including if I wanted but highly recommended me getting a Western Diesel Chip.
So, after some thought, I listened to Joe and purchased a 4" Stainless Exhaust and the Western Diesel Quad chip from him. Well the exhaust came, so I put that on while still having the Diablo chip in place and I would have to say it was a little better then the stock exhaust and sounded much better. Then the chip arrived, so I installed it, remember this quad chip has a 4 position chip, Off-40hp-70hp-110hp. I proceeded in taking the truck for a ride starting in the off position, how boring, next I put it in the 40hp position, the truck woke up a bit and felt like the 65hp Diablo chip I just took out. Then I put it in the 70hp position, let me just say, it was unbelievable, it felt as if I just put a damn 10-71 blower on it. all of the lag in the pedal was gone, throttle response expremely crisp, unlike any diesel truck I have ever driven. At this point I'm thinking, hell, do I really want to feel what the 110hp feels like:eek: so, I switch it to position 3, OMG, I just couldn't believe a diesel truck can go this quick, felt more like I was in a sports car. Anyway, if you read all the way through this thread and you are looking in to getting a performance chip for your truck, you need to call this guy Joe. BTW- I did not know him from a hole in the wall before contacting him. His price was much better then anyone else I looked up and he was very honest in telling me what he recommended. A big thank you to Joe (Boot) If anyone is considering intalling a chip and or an exhaust, I highly recommend you contact him. Now if my truck blows up next week I'll be sure to let you know that too. :D Although, I ffel very confident in what I just installed. I am now waiting on my pillar gauges and will also be able to confim temps are all good as well. Here's Joe's number if interested. #908-782-0688
See ya at the track!
:eureka:

The western diesel is suppose to be a good kit.I have only heard good stuff about Joe.he would be the one i would do business in the future

I bought my A-pillar Western Diesel gauge setup for my Excursion from Joe- gpt a good deal, and they look and work and great!
Make him the first call you make when looking for diesel upgrades.
Jim

If you like Ford Diesels go to www.dieselstop.com there is a wealth of information, from chips, modules, exhuast, gauges, lifts and so on. Its a great site.

nothing to do with boot, but western diesel is low quality in my book, makes great hp but the dam check light comes on if you get on it and the parts are sub par compared to banks....I gues you get what you pay for...and yes I have had both and will never buy nothing but banks

So far so good for me....no check light here :D

do the also make a chip for gas engines ? I have a 2002
dodge ram 1500 5.9l 4x4 ?

Now I'm confused - I've heard the upgrades are hell on the transmissions. Is this true? I have a 2000 Ford F-350 FWD with 70,000 miles on it. It runs great with 0 problems so far. I still haven't figured out what to do - BH

Did anyone ever release anything for the 2003 HO CTD? I know Edge has a box out but anything else?

BruceK, How much for the setup, chip, exhaust?

With all due respect Banks is a ripoff. They package together some upgrade parts and then double the price. I think that anyone who does a little research will find that each component can be purchased from a different manufacturer and a package can be put together that costs less and puts out more power.

is it just me or does d-hlaw think he knows everything remember i new you when you were a fishing ***ot love big cat

:eek:

Give a guy a new MTI and he thinks he can bust your balls.............

I ask a legitimate question and now you guy's are on each others ass. I guess I'll leave my truck the way it is - BH

Its all in good fun BH, Big Cat is my buddy and he eats alot of fish too!! Bruce can answer the Ford question, I have a Dodge. I know with Dodges if you have the 47re tranny upgrades are necessary or big problems will follow a HP upgrade. The newer high outputs with 48re's are doing much better. There are a few really good powerstroke forums that discuss this stuff.

OK you guy's suckered me - both of yall can KMA - haha -Hey have you been by Harbour Village by water lately? My parents just moved in their new place - SWEET! BH

Yeah, Bruce and I took the new raceboat out for a test ride last week and we went right past there. We were going so goddamn fast my eyes were watering and couldnt see where I was!!!! I live right up the ICW from there, right where disappearing island is.

What MTI does your buddy have?

Brian,
I am on my 3rd chip and have never had any problems, although, I truly do not beat on it at all. At this time with all the upgrades, I have gauges coming in which I can monitor temps.

Geographics- Is that you Mikey? Hey, Big Cat bought the 42 that was in Kentucky... I keep trying to stress to him to have it painted by the best, which there is only one. ;) I'll give you a call this week.
Bruce

I have the 1st 39 Diesel boat in the shop now, worked till 2 am getting it ready for paint will post some pics soon

I have a Dodge Ram 3500 4X4 Quad Cab w/5.9L HO Cummins Turbo Diesel with the 48RE Auto Trans.

Does anyone recommend the chip & exhaust?

Or am I looking at tranny problems in the future? :confused:

Edge is coming out with the new pulse timing and duration box in the next few weeks. I think that the 48re has the stronger transmission than mine. I can tell you that on my 2002 CTD the edge box made a huge difference.

http://www.dodge-diesel.org/

I have the Edge with Attitude in my 6.0 Ford CC, Dually, havent had any problems with them, this is my 3rd module from them, customer service is great. The tranny is the weak link with all these mods, especially with modules over 120hp/290tq. Then add Turbo back dual exhust, and a ram air filter kit, and you are pushing 500 peak hp/almost 900 peak tq. Use this power wisely. I also have the Edge on my 2001 Duramax with over 140k, no problems either, great products. Also Edge won the hp/tq shootout on Dec. 6th, with the EDGE W/ATTITUDE and exhaust it dynoed 427 rear wheel hp. Its alot of fun, :D with all that power, good luck. Jeff

Thanks unleshed !
 

Unleashed, It was great working with you and I enjoyed talking with you too !

I really appreciate your "experienced " comments . You had otherchips that did something , and thought they were pretty good . Now you see the difference first hand ! NO B.S. ! I love finding someone who has real experience with other products ,and then just tells it like it is !

Like I said , I sell them all but there is a BIG difference between manufacturers !! And don't worry , Your truck isnt' going to blow up ! That is just an honest horse power from the western diesel chip and NOT an OVER INFLATED number like others do ! This time you got what you paid for .......

Thank you for sharing your feelings . Good or bad I want to know and think EVERYONE should know too ! There is too many products out there and it gets real confusing to those wanting to buy . Moneys hard enough to come by . Why waste it ? Besides ,we all own boats ! That is a big enough waist !

Just use some common sense when using all that power . Please don't abuse it and drop that automatic trans on the ground ! We all know how bullet proof these auto trans are ! I do have guys with 140K and 160K miles on their trucks with NO problems .Acutely I have one guy that has around 250,000 miles !

SLINGSHOT, sounds like the guy that put it in didn't do it right if you had problems with western diesel ! Either the chip wasn't put in right , the map sensor wire wasnt' installed right , or the code was wrong .......
Some trucks have a california emissions type code and are real sensitive to boost . A stock late model ford truck (7.3)makes 18 lbs boost . computer can let up to 24 lbs go until it panics and throws the check engine light on . On the sensitive programmed trucks it will throw it on at 21lbs . When you add a GOOD chip your gonna see 35 lbs plus ! The kit comes with a diode wire to reduce what the computer sees . BAnks doesn't make enough boost OR POWER to to cause this ....... Without boost ,there is no power ...

I sell BANKS too ...... I have more problems with them then anything second to bulley dog ! I have only ever had 3 problems with Western in all the years . 2 of which were a bad connection !:rolleyes: I work very closely with Banks and DO NOT feel comfortable with their products or their lack of interest in there customers .Most of the work I do is to help other peoples customers get their money back or fix their problems . I am like the BANKS complaint department ! And stupid me , I dont' even charge them for this time when I didn't install it or sell it in the first place . I just have a better way of getting things done with banks then other dealers do . I don't think banks should be selling you a new turbo that is NO BETTER then what you have , nor should they sell you a new intercooler that is NO BETTER then what you have already ! Nor should they sell you a "trans command system " system for $400 that any good chip would do for free ! And Banks chips are extremely under rated for power . I installed a Banks chip , their exhaust , and their SO CALLED ,"Ram air" on a 2002 ford . It ran EXACTLY the same time and speed is a completely stock 2002 ford on the same day !:confused:

26Sonic, you would need something different for a gas motor . They make very little difference compared to diesels . BUt they do help . I think most gas chips are created about equal . The only down side is you MUST run premium gas all the time . You could check out hypertech, superchips, diablo etc.

teambaja2001,Glad you like the TST !;) I know a couple guys that have them that like um . But they never had anything else ....I am not real big on them from personal experience .HAd some ruff running trucks , bad fuel mileage , high EGT's , and lots of smoke for no reason . A few units quit working and drove me crazy trying to diagnose them . I do not carry them anymore because of that . Good luck with your though !

105mph_38_2003, Everybody has them . Edge is not bad . I would pick them second over Western on your Dodge . The edge is just a bit less power and is a little lazier getting moving . I don't think they get the mileage that they could , and have seen some with slightly higher Ex. temps then I like .But They do work pretty good though .

d-hlaw, About banks, you may be on to something !:D But there IS no gains from replacing a late model ford turbo or intercooler .... Just a good chip ,air filter , and exhaust .

Sharkey , All automatics are a week link . I am sure you have herd of guys blowing them up with stock motors ,so you can blow them up with more power too ! But if you treat it right , unless it's just a bad one , it will be OK . I have sold 100's of dodge modules and and not one of my customers have called me to tell me about any trans problems . I am surprised , but they haven't .

d-hlaw, The edge "pulse timing " is more of a bandade then a bonus . It is to over come a little problem they have from time to time on different trucks that their initial program can't do ..

Jassman, You meant 400 hp right ....:confused: WHat year is your Ford ?How's you new stile trans doing ? Be careful , if it goes bad it might down shift into second and lock the rear tires !!:eek: It's not fun !Hope your 6 litre is doing better then others !;)

Well, got to go back to makin' trucks better now . Thanks for all the compliments AND for the bad experience stories . It brings out the best for the consumer . Some products are a bad investment , some just need them installed right !!:D :D

Joe

Recommendations
 

I am looking for an older towing truck (1995 - 2000) to tow 10K pounds. My 1/2 ton Suburban is not big enough. Any suggestions on the diesels from that time era. Ford 7.3, Chevy 6.5, Dodge Cummins, etc.
Reliability, transmissions, durability, transmissions. I found a good deal on a 1997 Ford 3/4 ton with 7.3. Also a 1998 Chevy 3/4 with 6.5.

Thanks
Doug

it was on an 2002 limited excursion...which may have caused some issues

Slingshot, The limited Excursions with factory security system required are specially modified chip . Most people don't know this .

Waterbum, All automatics are questionable at best . I don't think any manufacturers trans is really any better then another . They all blow up sooner or later .......

The 97 ford is a pretty good choice . IN that year range ,it will have the best resale value by far .It will have more stock towing power then the other mentioned . It is also the easiest and cheapest to upgrade power on if you decide to go that route . The Chevy 6.5 is pretty week, but is a good motor . to upgrade you have to replace or send out your entire computer to do it right . If you go Dodge , you need to be 1998 1/2 or newer to be happy . These are computerized and make a little more power over the earlier non-computerized ones . They are very easy to upgrade too.

Hope this helps , Joe

Boot,
I have not touched my 2003 Dodge 3500 duallie CTD SO because I ws not interested in raising fuel pressure after having a 2002 and experiencing bosch pump problems. I was waiting for Edge to realease the timing/duration box hoping that it would address any issue with overworking the pump. I have heard that it is possible to run the fuel pressure down to 2lbs or less on long pulls with the pressure box. Is this true? Also, I cant let BruceK and that big balloon tired tank he drives go around kicking my ass. What do you recommend?? You know I will go broke staying ahead of him.......

Boot, on the deisel module wars, the Edge w/Attitude dynoed rear wheel hp @427, that was a 2004 6.0 Excursion, stock it was 281 rear wheel hp, and it did have an oversized single exhaust on both tests. Edge w/Attitude claims 115hp/290tq, which is only 15 more hp/40 more tq over std Edge without the gauges. You can see they are very conservative. This Excursion turned 13.992 in the quarter. You also have the option of adding more fuel, 5 levels, which makes it even quicker. The nice feature is you have all your gages in a 5"x3" cluster, showing your egt's,boost,rpm's, and defueling option, which you can set in the alerts area to program your egt's not to exceed 1350 degrees before it starts to defuel, which save the turbo. Ive had great luck with my Ford 6.0, and I know the tranny is the weak link, I use this power very wisely, unless a rice burner wants to run:p :D

Boot,

I have a 99 F250 Crew Cab Short Bed 4x4 w/ PowerStoke Diesel Engine. The truck has about 87,000 highway miles. Well maintained and Serviced properly during that time. What upgrades so you suggest in the forme od a Chip, exhaust, and what ever else will be needed??????

Thank You,
Dennis P Tracey

Bruce,

After using the chip for a little while, what are you still pleased and what kind of mileage are you seeing in your F350 with it?

Finman

Jassman,
Where can I find info on the Edge product line?

Thanks!!

On the Power Stroke Diesel (PSD) the Service Engine Soon light (SES) will come on any time the boost exceeds 27psi. That light ought to say "Turbo is working great" on it. Any chip manufacturer that exceeds those boost levels is going to trip the SES. So, you can't blame Western Diesel (WD) for that. WD's stuff is really nice but is also expensive.

If all you want to do is add 60 or so hp and add 100 lbs/ft then any of the chip manufacturers can get you there. Adding over 90 hp or so requires exhaust upgrades, EGT sensor, etc. and can get expensive. That's when you can really tell the difference in the manufacturers.

There used to be a great Ford Diesel web site and Forum at www.Ford-Diesel.com but I can't find it now. Anyone know what happened to it?

IMO Banks is a rip. You can get much more for less money by buying the parts you need and forget about Bank's pre-packaged, overpriced kits.

I think that Boot hits the nail on the head. It looks like he really knows his truck stuff. I don't want to step on his toes (Boot) but I get my Diesel goodies from Dale Isley at TYMAR (Take Your Money and Run). Great prices especially on exhaust. Also, he sells a Sonnax valve and tricumulator springs for your tranny that will fix the soft shift and shift hang problem on automatic tranny modified Powerstrokes. The chip manufactures do increase line pressure but there's only so much you can do with software. The valve and springs are less than 50 bucks (if I remember right) and a great time to do it is when changing your tranny fluid.

Then once you get used to all that new power from your chip and exhaust you can add Propane and really fly!

I'm really, really curious about the new 6.0 PSDs. I've heard some pretty negative stuff about them. I was thniking about trading my 2000 PSD in on one. But, after all I've heard I think I'll be keeping my 7.3 PSD for some time to come.

EDGE PRODUCTS
 

Edge Products are the only way to go if you are upgrading any diesel.

same site, different name

http://www.thedieselstop.com/

SEMPER FI.... The best current price that I found on the www.dieselstop.com site was through www.consperformancechips.com. They advertise both the Edge module w/Attitude for 800.00, BUT.. call the guy, talk to him direct he will sell it for 700.00 plus overknight it for 22.00, great deal. PMT a OSO sponser, www.pmtchips.com might match the price as well, I bought my Edge from them, nice people. Get it you will love it, just use wisely, a tranny upgrade is being worked on by these manufactures, so that in the highest level of power they will shift like normal, I bet then I'll be around 13.7:D Good Luck, Jeff Jassby

Its hard to tell what my actual mileage is since I have a lift kit and 35'd on it, My speedo is off from 4-7 mph and I am reading 15mpg all the time. Since I added this chip and replaced the Diablo, I went up 2/10 more.
Other then that, I am completely happy with it.

Thanks jafo

:rolleyes:
Man, the horse is already dead ! Quit beating him ! :D

Some of you guys make me wonder .......... ?

I sell themALL............
I will give great prices,probably the best ............
You ask me which one works best ..................
I tell you .................

And you argue with me .

Oh well ..........

just curious , "fast enough", Why do you say , "Edge is the only way to go "? I sell them too . If I thought they were the best ,I would say so .They ARE good . But Not the BEST ......They make less power then the Western diesel box, have higher exhaust temps , and don't gain as much fuel mileage ,if any........ How is that better ? Because they are cheaper ? Not picking on you . Just curious to your statement .

If anyone would like to find out the truth . I will sell you a box full of different brands , Which ever ones you want to try , when you pick one ,I'll take the others back and refund your money !!!! Then you tell me and everyone else if I was right .

How's that for telling it like it is ?

All chips do something ....... Wheather or not they do it well or safely for your engine is another story . Every body buys their first diesel ever ,and it's the best !

then they buy their first chip ever and it's the best !

I've been doing this since 1983. I have had a LITTLE experience .
I don't mean to step on toes of others who sell chips . I just answer the quesions I am asked . If that offends anyone ,I am truely sorry ! :( But please don't make false statements just because it's the ONLY brand you sell . You too can become a dealer of all brands if you are a ligitimate dealer and put up the money . and then we can be fair to our fellow OSO family . Not miss leading .

I realy don't like being involved in these discussions because it ALLWAYS gets messy ......... There are thousands of products out there . I've sold and used all the ones I can find . Most of them are a rip off , some of them are OK at best (If you don't tow or floor it for long) , only a couple are pretty good but under rated and can't realy be used to the full extent of what you bought it for, due to high exhuast temps. As for great ones ,,,,,,, I'll step down now .......... You all have a great weekend ! I'm outa here !;)