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24 foot banana boat running twin 350's with TRS drives ran in the modified class of APBA in '76 and won the Key West race against 28 and 30 footers.

The Key West race in those days went out of the harbor and turned right to Dry Tortugas and back.

Same banana boats ran twin outboards in the production classes in those days too.

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Sounds like he should have used Hemi's! At least the spark plugs are on top. :D

Michael

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How did that velocity handle with twins? What was the speed at the top end?

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that 21 donzi was awsome... i didn't know they put twins in anything less than 24's. i wonder how many of those 21's were built?

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Here's a couple of pics of the boat my dad was talking about a couple of posts back...

This is the first 24 banana boat with the first deck in '76. The boat had twin 350's made by Stan Irwin's Custom Engine Shop in Miami.

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Meant AND said. I guess I read the whole thread.

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That is my Dads boat he does not use it anymore now that he bought his Sea Ray.Most of the time it just sits in my shop in a corner covered up
I use it now and then to keep the cobwebs out of it. :D

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Bajaboat-- Is that 24' cig still available -- any specs/ pics?? Is there a cuddy?

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Cobalt Condessa 22'7" Oal- 8' Beam- 24 Degree Deadrise- Twin 260's

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Saber made one all black 24ft with twin 502s

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My old 233 Interceptor had twins
jeff

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That Donzi 21GT has to be it..........cool boat too....nice restoration to original spec.

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I know of a 24' Sonic with twin Big blocks.

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I had a Fountain 29 that was no more than 23 ft long with twins... :D

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26 Sutphen was and is available with twin SB's or twin OB's. The hull has won many offshore races and is still built by Richie Sutphen Jr in NJ.

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We need parameters here folks ..since when is a 21 foot donzi an offshore boat?
Intersting stuff , just a vague question

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I think these guys are twins :D

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Years ago before Superboat, There was a boat called a Challenger 21 she came with a single engine or twins some guy has one with twin 2.5s looks just like the 21 Superboat

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This one ? supposedly does around a buck :D

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The 26 Hustler was available with twin small blocks with Mercuiser drives or Arneson surface drives.

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Our first was also a 242 with t5.7s

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My '78 Formula 233 came with twin 350 Alphas and now has twin 383MPI Bravo's. Well technically not yet, the engines are still in the crates.

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21 skater with twins

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not any more my uncle has a 21 challenger with a 454. They rdezinged the 21...

Spitfire
 

76 donzi spitfire twin 350 trs org k planes 8 beam

maybe Brownie will chime in, I have seen pictures of his 19' nova with twins. Thats got everything mentioned beat by a couple feet....

Check this out! 24' Pantera with twins:ernaehrung004:

http://www.cbpba.com/forums/showthre...&threadid=4843

only piks I could find... it's an Allmand, but brownies design.. 24 degree bottom I believe and did suprisingly well in rough water from what I have read. a couple 300-350 hp sbc's and alphas and it might teach mr. tripple widgets a thing or two... this thing would really get fun with a pair of 400 hp 383's and alpha ss's
http://www.supernova19.com/16e22b90.jpg
http://www.supernova19.com/16df8b90.jpg

Here's one of mine

Ill garuntee a Single OB 21 Challenger will keep up with or smoke any 20-22 foot I/O boat in rough water.

21' Donzi with twins unreal:eek:

I have one the SMIDGEN TOO a 24'x 7' beam Cobra with twin 302 Holman Moody Fords. I bought this classic last year, its in rough shape but its all there. I plan to restore it as it raced back in 1975.

Very cool boat. It's great to see these old war horses put back to pristine condition AND period correct. Be sure to walk us through the restoration and post a lot of pics. Just love to see these projects.



Darrell.

I never understood the prejudice against outboards....

Inboard hydro guys wouldn't talk to outboard tunnel racers in the pits, until we obliterated their lap records. Then they lined up like puppies trying to buy our cast off props.

Offshore races have been won on numerous occasions by outboard powered boats of all sizes. I raced a 15 foot Powercat in the 1964 Chicago-New Buffalo Race, and an 18 foot Eltro in the '66 Around Long Island marathon and another in the '68 Milwaukee-Chicago-Milwaukee race...all Outboards. Long before George Linder designed the Challengers, Shadows, Chris Cats, and Conquests he raced 18 and 23 foot Eltros Offshore...also with outboards. The point here is we both learned ALL of our basics with two cycle power. The driving skills and speed secrets that you learn in smaller, nimble outboard hulls is the reason why people like JT, Steve Curtis, Jerry Gilbreath, Joey Imprescia and Richie Powers are head and shoulders over many other "big boat" trained throttlemen........

Where do you think prop cupping and rake advancements came from as well as surfacing drive technology....... for that matter where the h*ll do you think the stern drive itself came from???? For years it seemed that all the inboards gave us was torque and noise...and smoke........ and of course noise....and don't forget noise..... Today's 4 stroke IB engines are a testament to years of engineering trying to overcome the inherent failings of a big block for marine use.

I often chuckled to myself before offshore races as all the inboard guys .....tinkered in the engine compartment...revving engines...rushing around for tools...and generally showing off their chromed hardware, while crowds stood around staring down at them hypnotized and reliving their "glory days" at the local hangouts when they were mesmerized by some guy's Trans AM. Meanwhile the outboards floated quietly nearby untouched...and unnoticed. What I found so interesting is that..even to this day...there are inboard "afficionados"...who continue to think that horsepower alone can give you speed and performance while simultaneously forgetting the role that set up, props, and hull design play in true boating performance.

If you want to talk about "real" offshore boats look no further than my favorite personal Conquest project (picture 1 below) that blew the doors off all the top Modified Inboards of its day....... and had no subsequent development time to reach its full potential. It was the fastest, best handling cat out there in all conditions including this picture taken in legitmate 5 foot seas.

Also look at the Maelstrom (2nd picture) that dominated Open class fleets....... with a variety of Mercury and OMC outboards on the transom.......

So spare me the "eggbeater" crap regarding my outboards...lest your big blocks be renamed "blowhards".

T2x

When I had my AMT I would often respond to the "eggbeater" comments with, "Lets see how my little boat motors do against your car motors...then I'll listen to your comments" That was usually the end of the conversation.
Those were the most trouble free boating days Ive ever had.

Chris, no boat?

I love the anti egg beater guys.

I'll drink to that!

I belive T2X just summed it up for me......