Cop Q- Is this legal???
 

Got pulled over. 5 min before curfew. Cop claimed I would be out, so he was saving himself the trouble of finding me 5 min from now. Followed me, 2 blocks, with his HEADLIGHTS OFF, now again, this is 11:55pm. made us all get out, threw me and a friend up against the car, searched us, searched my car, claimed my friend was drunk, which he wasnt.

Now, was any of what he did legal?

I am never allowed in this "City" again.

How far were you away from home?

Jon

curfew? never heard of such a thing....is this not america, the land of the free?????

you get polloed oveor alott you p utsz

If the only reason why he stopped you was because of your age, a minor, and the curfew law, not in effect for 5 more minutes, then no. It was a bad stop. I did think his reasoning was pretty funny though. What was the reason for getting you guys out of the car? Did he have any probably cause or not. Not completely sure on Ohio law but in Pa. I need to be able to articulate why I am getting somebody out of car. Not as simple as "Hey, get out of the car." You can articulate the searching parts. Especially searching your persons, for weapons. Legally allowed to do that. Now the car, once again, in Pa. Need to get permission or have probable cause. If I have the cause but no permission, then I can secure your car, get warrant, and tear it apart literally looking through it. Yes, I have seen crowbars used to search a car before. But the 4th amendment should cover even you guys from unreasonable searches and seizures, which is what the entire episode was. As far as your friend, if he was underage and had anything to drink at all, better off just letting that one go. Dont have to be drunk for an underage drinking offense. The question should be did he have anything to drink at all??

So to answer the question as presented above, some is legal and some is a bad call on his part. If any criminal charges would have come out of the incident, any competent attorney would get them thrown out. Its all reletive to where you live. Growing up in the city, didnt matter if the stop was bad or not. If they stopped you, you complied and kept your mouth shut. If you opened it, they would close it for you. Nobody complained, it was the rules of the street at the time. But times have changed. Alot.

Did the cop issues any tickets?
Did he confiscate anything?
Was your friend taken to jail for being drunk?

If the answer is no, I'd let it drop.

I had a similar instance happen many years ago at the Jersey shore.
Buddy and I were crusing around, turned down a side street, cop followed behind, then another cop came from in front and both blocked the road with their cars.
The two cops (one bad, one good) walked up, bad cop ordered us out of the car, was told to "assume the position", was frisked, asked if we had any drugs, asked if he could search the car. I gave permission since I knew it was clean. Bad cop found my switch blade in the glove box and confiscated it. He also emptied the contents of my car and its trunk onto the ground. Finding nothing else they let us go. Good cop apologized and helped put all my stuff back in the car.
Both of use were just glad to get the hell out. We never did tell our parents. We just let it drop.

HB,
You've posted more times then not about your car arrest antics and various tickets.
Now I hate to preach but you are setting yourself up for a world of sh!t regarding your driving record, you might be frustrated and think the world is against you but here are a few facts.
-Computers never forget so here is what you are looking at down the line;
-Practically a lifetime of driving crappy cars because you will not be able to get insurance.
-Practically a lifetime of boating in POS boats because you will not be able to get insurance. Save for mooching rides but not driving and that sucks.
-A very shrinking job market because a LOT of company if you have anything to do with equipment will verify your driving record and bounce you for your immaturity and their inability to insure you on their equipment and vehicle.
-No work for governmental agency or law enforcement because again a show of immaturity with your driving record.
-All the cops in your area will have you in their cross-airs because of your reputation.
-Also there are a lot of people on this board that own companies or are in position of hiring, you are sympathetic why burn your bridges with all the opportunities here by posting about your immaturity. You won't even know the opportunities that flew right under your nose...

Last thing is where there is smoke there is fire. You post of always being sawed out, even-tough you are posting preaching about your angelic behavior, I bet you any amount that whatever you are doing has strong tendencies toward threatening your community when analyzed by law enforcement. Believe me those cops would rather eat donuts (sorry Trout) then have to deal with a few punks, so YOU ARE DOING something to raise their suspicion.

I'm with GLH, Something had to raise the cops suspicion!

You're lucky that RollWithit didn't pull you over with his Kilt on!!! Cold nads piss some officers off!!!:p

Driving in this country is a privilege, that some people abuse so bad they end up doing Jail time for there offenses, how stupid is that? In 17 years of Police work I can honestly say i never issued a ticket to someone who didn't deserve it and downright ask for it. I always stopped a vehicle with the intention of giving a warning, but some people just can't help from making a stupid comment. I know there are some ****ty Police Officers with a chip on their shoulders, I know i have worked with some, but be respectful and usually it isn't to long before these officers are sought out by there dept. If you feel you were truely treated improper make a complaint to the Police Dept., but then you better be on the up and up with your driving. Sometimes it's better to let it go, pick and choose your fights. Especially if it was in the communtiy where you live. Next time you pass a bus stop and see people waiting out in crappy weather for the bus think this could be you. Drive safe and take care of your license, if you don't, it can become expensive, cost you time and maybe even your privilege to drive......Believe me i am not preaching here, this is some good advice from a guy who worked with guys like the one that pulled you over......see my avatar, that is my son, he was driving his big wheel irratic on the side walk so I took him in and booked him. He got wise with his mouth and is now on my hit list. I can't wait until he is 16 so i can bust him and put him in jail so the state will have to feed him and cloth him, you see it will be cost effective !!!!!!

These guys a right.
I used to drive a car that stood out from everyone else's. Really recognizable. Every cop in town knew who I was by the car. Each time I was stopped the cop new my name, and this was before the age of computers. Each cop carried a little note pad with personal information, license plate numbers, descriptions, etc., which they shared with each other.
I'm not saying I was a terror on the road like some of my friends were. I had one friend that lost his license twice before he was 20. All of it for speeding.
As for me, I was lucky. Out of the 8 times I've been stopped for speeding there were only three tickets I couldn't talk my way out of. I haven't been pulled over for more than 25 years and haven't had an accident in 18.

Think about riding a bus every day. I have a couple of coworkers that lost their licenses permanently for various reasons and ride the bus to work every day.
My future son in-law is headed down that very same road. He's been pulled over several times in the past year. He recently wrecked his car because he was going too fast to make a curve in the road and hit a concrete wall. The local cops know who he is too.

Slow down, drive responsibly like an adult.
New year, new attitude.

Is it me or do you get pulled over every other damn day ?

try moving to a city where the cops are way too damn busy to pull people like you over.


I have a lots of cop friends. They said they don't even have time to bother with small stuff

LMAO That has got to be some of the best advise....and funniest sh*t I have seen on this board.

So what is it Hyper? Were you less then 5 min from home? OR are you like Santa Claus and were going to be able to drop off all your friends at their houses and get home in 5 min? Sounds to me like he was just doing the inevitable so that he did not have to waite 5 min and pull you over then. What does your watch say, what did his watch say? Maybe your watch is not set to Central Cop time............

Jon

Our watches were on the same time. I was 20 feet from the edge of his jurisdiction when he pulled me over.

Friend wasnt drunk, none of us had anything to drink at all yesterday.

I was on the way to dropping friends off, I was doing 5 under.

No charges, but some of this he did sounds really messed up. Following us with the lights off?!?!?!

NO ONE drives 5 under uless they are drunk or stoned.........

Jon

We had a curfew when I was a teen (honestly don't know whether we have one now or not).

Cops would generally drive up beside and decide if you were underage and if so, they WOULD pull you over, sniff your breath, ask about seatbelts, ask where going, and tell you to go home if nothing was amiss - usually they drove behind you at least to wherever you had to turn off the main road. Never remember anybody getting hassled too horribly unles they smartedoff or smelled like weed or beer.

My company employs guys who have been with me16 years on average. I don't have much turnover and don't have a lot of need for hiring procedures since I will only even CONSIDER somebody if they have a pedigreed local reference list of impressive quality.
Now. My Dad was involved in a business that employed a lot of skilled blue collar guys but the industry had a lot of turnover due to the gypsy mentality of these guys. One of the things that they did for every newhire, was to tell them that they were going to get a driving record on them. If the potential hire refused to consent to this, they were a goner (this exhibited a combative personality or somebody who had prefer to hide important issues fro his superior). If the report came back with significant entries, the potential hire was allowed to discuss each entry. If the hire made up ridiculous crap about them then he was determined to be a "talker" and a "distractive bull****ter". If the hire described the tickets in a bitter manner regardingthe cop, then he was determined to have "issues with respect". If he had an inordinate number of speeding and wreckless driving tickets then they were hired todrive the forklifts.

No crap, employers will take a hard look at driving records these days and can "interpret" the results into whether they consider a potential as immature or irresponsible. It matters.

Better keep on the low side and make your friends drive you around for a while!!If tis a small town and with all the run ins with the law you have had, your gonna be a prime target for them. YOu might not have done anything that time, but the next time you might have so be ready for you area a target. I know that with my shop, if a person has a bad driving record, I cannot get insurance on them to move customers cars around to the bays so those people are worthless to me, then that means one of my other installers has to or I have to so then I don't need people with bad records if I have to go do it anyway. Just lay low, drop this incident, and try and quit antaganizing the law with your antics, it will only lead to worse things as you get closer to 18 when they can haul your butt in for a few hours in the pokey!

I have lately stopped doing stupid things in cars. Last night I didnt do anything illegal when I was pulled over, I was going to be illegal in 5 min, but would not be in his city then.

Ive been driving within 2-3mph of the speed limit, amazing how much money you save with not paying tickets, and $ saved on gas.

Cant wait for summer, that way the boat is there for hard driving, or the tracks will be open.

Just think of it this way, how many times have you broken the law and got away with it, never got stopped or got a break from a cop. I think you will find that every one of us is way ahead of the game........

That just made way to much sense.

I am WAY WAY ahead of the game.

So the real story comes out.

What in the world are you doing to piss the cops off?? I have been pulled over more then my fair share but I have got out of 75% of the tickets by being respectful and honest. I don't think there is a memo to look out for you but you are doing something to catch their eye... so what is it you little punk ass?? What are you leaving out..? they don't just start throwing people around as much as they do to you

Hyper, I don't know what you do or say tp piss off cops, but it is definately something.

A cop needs reasonable suspicion to stop you and investigate. "Reasonable Suspicion" is an articuable suspicion that a crime has been or is about to be committed.
When you are stopped the cop can talk to you and ask you questions which may give him Probable Cause to detain you further.
Depending on your demeanor, attitude, what you say, your prior record and the cops personal knowledge of you, the cop can pat you down for his own safety.

A search can be done incident to arrest. If the curfew violation is a misdemeanor, then he can search you and your car.

A far as following you with his lights off, sure he can do that. He's allowed to violate traffic laws to stop a vehicle. Doesn't a cop have to speed to catch up with a speeder????? Whats the diff as long as he doesn't cause an imminent danger to someone???

It also seems like this cop went way out of his way to F*** with you. He did it for a reason. You got on his chit list or someone elses. Thats for sure.

My advice is to use proper responses to his questions. That would include, "Yes Sir," "I'm sorry, I didn't realize that.....," and "I apologize, I did not know that....."

If you try and question an officers methods, are accusing of him acting outside the law, and think you know more than him/me, I guarantee you will get a lesson in what not to do or say along with a tickets for violations that you didn't know exsisted.

Re: Cop Q- Is this legal???
 

SO HOW MANY CITY"S do you want to be banned in?
How many have?

im a young kid(20) and i learned the hard way, sounds like your taking the path i was on, i had a very flashy car (formula firehawk) every cop in town new my car,i was getting tickets all the time, i just never complained about it, took it like a man and either payed them or fought them so i wouldnt end up with points, anyways long story short, i messed around bad, 18 points on my liscence, 1 year drivers liscence suspension, so im screwed myself bad.

good post skwotastropy81 !

hyper , it doesnt matter if the stop was legit or not...........................this time!

clean up your act and eventually they will leave you alone.

most of us , probably all of us speed/freedom junkies have been down the same road as you.

you can continue to screw around and maybe lose your license and certainly a hell of alot of money or you can tow the line and enjoy better toys then your friends that wont wise up.

cops see some gruesome car wrecks on a daily basis and they dont want you to end up in one or cause one.

A few cops in town knew I was a "runner". I had run several times, and had never been stopped when I was running. Right or wrong (depending on what side you viewed it from) if I had run, I never went back to my house in the "tainted" vehicle.

I wouldn't run if I had no good outlet, so I still got my share of tickets. One time a cop gave me a ticket for brake lights not working. This same cop was the big brother of a guy I raced mx with. He casually told me that there was a kid on town who had become a high priority. He mentioned that the first cop who could nail a certain kid for running fro the law was getting a bonus, and that they already knew who it was and that even if he lost them, that they would be waiting on his doorstep and that kid better think real hard about whether it was worth it or not. He also said that this was the first ticket he had ever given for something stupid like brake lights and that maybe this encounter was for some REASON...

Made me think.

I believe that was the event that helped me realize that the public streets weren't my personal playground.

I still did ungodly things in cars from then on, but I definitely became much more selective about where and how often.

From 16 to 19, I had too many tickets, had to go to hearings about my points, went to driver's schools, had to watch the tapes, got on probation, double-probation, and super secret mega triple probation. I did public service work, I worked at the recycling center, picked up trash, cleaned up the city ballparks, all the stuff i could do to keep my license.

One day, it just didn't seem as important to be in a throttle down 4 wheel drift through every single neighborhod corner (or on three wheels in the Jeep all the time).

Just remember, your attitude can make a big difference in the outcome of the situation. I have let people off with warnings or a lesser offense if they had the right attitude. When they had the wrong attitude, they got tickets, sometimes more than one, and possibly got the car towed depending on the violation. Just keep in mind, the better your attitude, the better the situation will turn out. I know this from experience on both sides of the stops.

Hyper, unless they have changed the law in the past 5 yrs. Ohio law states that if you reccive 2 moving violations before turning 18 you liscense is revoked for 1 year and deystroyed by the BMV. You then ordered to take a "bad kid driver" class which is long and expensive, then you have to retake the permit test to get your permit then, once you obtain your permit, you then have to take your driving test over to get a new liscence. Now you are considered "high risk" to insurance companies and have to pay ungodly premiums for junk vehicles. Several of my friends had this happen back when we were your age and they are still dealing with the consequenses today:( :(


Keep it up a few more times and then comes the "maxed out points" revokation wich I currently have a friend going thru, and all I have to say about that is, YOU ABSOLUTELY DONT WANT TO GO THERE!!;)

I'm done preaching................you get any more traffic stops and Packinair and I are gonna come and smack you around some;)