Re: Re: 41
 

Reasonable argument.

****! BAJA guys are suicidal in rough water. We dont give a ****!

Re: Re: 41
 

I love Cigarette Powerboats and I know Top Guns run nice in 4 to 5 foot waves because I see plenty of them here in New Jersey doing just that.
I have to believe that something is wrong with the Apache you just mentioned because 82 mph with 1000 hp Zuls just does not add up. It sounds like he is missing about 200 hp a side.
Also, when wave heights reach 6' plus and the powertrain on a 41 Apache is healthy and set up right, take a good look at Offshore Powerboating at its finest.
It is a sweet sight indeed!

Agreed. Suicidal is appropriate.

thats like
saying i want a 360 ferrari but because i only have 100k to spend , that they must be priced too high for what they are....no its callled "YOU HAVE TO PAY TO PLAY":D

IT ALL COMES DOWN TO TASTE IN THE END

A 16oz Filet mignon at $18.95 always tastes better than one at $24.95 because you can wash the first one down with two Heineken's for the same price.

Sling,
These boats aren't moving because people are not willing to pay the inflated prices that sellers are asking. PERIOD. It's not that there are no buyers with money... there are and they are choosing to not comsume these boats. The bottom line is if the prices were lower the boats would move.

They are all over priced. That`s why you see the same boats for sale for ever. If they were priced right ,they would find new owners.

1. They are for sale and rare boats, therefore it's value is the agreement between the owner and the buyer. If it is too high for you when looking move on. They are rare and hold their value.

2. Be thankful that the resale is lower than the new price.

3. I have just put in new motors new transmissions, new SSM VI drives, etc. What do you think it is worth ??

The value is mine to set and the buyers todecide, just my .02.

well put scott.the average boater is clueless about the cost of proper maintinance.200-250 hours if your lucky before rebuilds.most of the boats are in need of work thats why they are for sale.big motors and drives aint cheap. 2more cents.i am repowering now from the prop nut to the waterpump.

cya lucy

the "selling" value is set by both buyer and seller when the deal is made.......overinflated value set by the sellers will not necessarily be accepted by the buyers and the boats will just sit....I agree that some of these boats are mired by "history" and "nostalgia".....they may have intrinsic or sentimental value, but not the kind that will make a sophisticated buyer overpay excessively for the boat ...just my .02

hey Mark,

since you are repowering completely, why don't you just drop off the 800s at my house... that way you'll have more space at home:D :D :D

EXACTLY! THERE WOULD BE MORE FERRARI BUYERS IF A 360 WAS 100K NOT 150 TO 175K

BUT BUYING A NEW BOAT AND LOSING 40% THE FIRST YEAR IS OK BECAUSE ITS NEW?

1)"If it is too high for you when looking move on."
People obviously are moving on... they aren't selling at the inflated prices that people are asking. Rare? Yes and no... look in the classifieds.

2)"Be thankful that the resale is lower than the new price." True of every boat, otherwise the builder would've charged more!

3)"What do you think it is worth ??" Unfortunately for you, not what you put into it. This is why many that are for sale have major work needed.

This is no different with any other brand boat.

my .02
sooner or later "some" used brands bottom out price wise.
their price varience depends alot on condition and probably more importantly , economic conditions.
a few years ago everyone made a bunch of easy money on the stock market which drove the price up on alot of boats. unfortuanately those days have passed.

Very true. One correction... "sooner or later "some" used brands TOP out price wise. ;)

ok , so im a glass half empty kinda guy :o

:D

The 41 Apache is the best. No argument here. I want one. Advertise the boat in all the best places, OSO classifieds is a great start. Prospective buyers are there, they are watching. If it doesn't sell, then decide to keep it or lower the price till you get a buyers interest. When that interest is kindled and the buyer and seller agree on a price then Fair Market Value for that boat has been established.
Remember "You can always pay too much for something"

any pics of paleface?

First, you're talking about NEW boat sales... big difference.

Second, my point is that there are consumers out there for these boats... but the prices are over inflated so they are not moving. When the prices come down to the level which equals the demand, then and only then, will they move.

Now theres a Newsflash!

That's gettin' it with a single 600 hp!! DoI beleive it ...NO:rolleyes:

No, actually its like saying that I have more than enough money to buy the 360 ferrari but I know the dealer is motivated to move them because the economy sucks and he is having a hard time making floor plan. Further, Lambos are selling cheaper and Porsches too.... get the picture??

Fact is that it is a buyers market right now. If you have the $$ you can dictate what the market will bear. We have seen 2 big Cigs with 5's and 6's and 1000hp sell for less than $90 for one and less than $95 for the other. Both of those boats were on par with Apaches for sale right now. God forbid Steve1 actually starts producing high quality boats.... then the used market will go in the crapper!!!

Heresy!

be carefull.
that boat is for sale by searace/t. cimino (sp)

No, in theory he is correct.

Agreed. I just like to scream something out when I see a profound thought that startles me.

:D:D:D

I have to disagree on a couple of points, the rare Item may demand a few more $$$, but it also is for a smaller group of buyers. Some of the prices may be inflated, but do not throw everyone in the same category. I also do not believe I have too much invested, I was giving an example. Just because a guy is upside down in a fountain and dumps it $40,000 below Market does not mean everyone is worth that. My .02 again, but I think someone asked a question and it was going down the ugly road again.


Have fun !

Just need help...
 

I Plan on making a purchase in the next couple of weeks.

A Brand Spanking Used, previously loved Apache.

As an Auto Dealer (and all around cheap bastard) I really need to buy the best for the least money.

Broken Arrow or Tatonka
?

103 MPH vs 85 MPH
?

I like both paint jobs

What is a fair price for each of them

Tatonka is asking $200K
B/A is $300K


If the prices were the same I'd take the arrow hands down (Speed, Size,and supply).

Ok Boys Lets hear some offers (No brokers or selling parties please)

What would you offer?

I think I'm about to find out why these boats stay for sale a long time!!! (Buying beloved toys from wealthy people aren't easy:D )

This is what we call "Where Two Fools Met" sale. You can figure it out.

My favorite Apache is Ghost Runner!! Cool Colors...saw it on the way down to Fla. to pick up my Active. :cool:

Both of those boats are severely overpriced. It will need to be a buyer that sees something in the respective boat that justifies paying double FMV. Having said that, the $100k difference in price would buy you a new paint job and a few spare engines or a nice tow rig........

APACHES
 

These boats hold their value very well, I resently went thru my powerboat collection and these boats are for sale for more then they were 10 years ago. Like my freind RHC mentioned awhile back individualism is priceless. Every APACHE is differnt, maybe some poeple don't mind going out the chanel and seeing a boat just like the one they are driving only with differnt colors,but APACHE owners do. If you don't like the prices don't look at them. I love Cigs also but I went for an APACHE,and will be buying another one sometime this year. Scott thank you for the pizza and suds last night!! Freddie buy BROKEN ARROW if she runs 103 then you will have a cruising speed near what TATONKA runs balls out, also you can't out grow a 47. Happy hunting.Steve

Re: APACHES
 

exactly nykamp, i do not know how you can idle through the channel in grand haven and see two or three other boats, esp. powerquest, and not feel like your boat is just another cookie from the cutter.

INDIVIDUALITY, its what makes me proud to own a SABER. there will never be another one like mine.

Nykamp,

Great seeing you !!! Look forward to seeing you again soon. :D :D

I would go BA, always liked the boat.