Please help Ben Kramer
 

I just cant let it go......

Dude, you just aint right!!

Hey, I cant help myself. That damn Kramer guy keeps calling collect asking for Spitfire. He says Huey and louey are gonna have to rough him up a bit.

What the F ? :crazy:

Fred, you seem to have a ttt complex tonight.

:D

I have 5 bucks for the KY fund. Does the prison take PayPal?

Free Kramer, Kramer will rise again!!!!!!!

MAXINE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please come back with all your cronies.
I wonder if Gail Paik is done with the artwork yet?

The prison only takes money orders,NO PAYPAL excepted

Wait, I went out to eat and all kramer threads were gone. I come back and there here. Oh s h i t , i think I got mad cow.:eek:

I wonder which of the 4 this is?:crazy:

Re: Please help Ben Kramer
 

Oh man d-hlaw, i thought it was over:( :D ;)

Call it the ressurection.......

Somebody should post a poll to see whether the OSO membership thinks Ben should stay in prison or be released.

Go to the Apache forum... not sure why it's there.:rolleyes:

ahhh the whoring opportunities:D

Please help Ben Kramer
 

I couldnt have said it any better myself.........thanx Jack.....

4 people dumb enough to buy Kaama drives and think Ben should be released.

They are similar. Obsolete, laying toothless in a
scrapheap. Nobody wants either connected to their boat. Only old pictures and memories remain...mostly bad.
Some people say they will rise again. But neither will. Their fate is sealed.

:D :D :D

The reports of Kaama's death are greatly exagerated.:)

Now there is a properly installed rubrail. Nice! I don't see any holes in this powerboaters hull.

KK69, your diaper is dirty, go have your G'Ma fix that for ya. :)

Sorry I am new here.. Who the F*** is Ben Kramer... And who is Ben kramers kid that just joined??

I tried to search for threads but all have been deleted I guess...

Just the short version please... Don't want to make this another Gary Taylor thread!!! LOL

They made a few movies & books about it rent or read 1 :cool:

Just ask the guy that built your boat.

New to performance boating then I guess as well.

well, that pretty much sums up what we can expect out of your camp. :ernaehrung004:

Sorry... Didn't mean to sound rude... I just don't know the name... I haven't been around enough I guess.. and I wasn't trying to start another long thread over he said she said BullSh*t..

Sorry, I guess if you google something.. I could have gotten my answer... :rolleyes::rolleyes:


Miami Herald

August 29, 1987

RACER ARRESTED

LYNNE DUKE And STEPHEN J. HEDGES Herald Staff Writers



International powerboat racing champion and boat builder Benjamin Barry Kramer was ordered held without bond Friday on charges that he ran a criminal enterprise that distributed more than half a million pounds of marijuana nationwide.

In a two-count federal indictment handed up in Southern Illinois, Kramer, 33, was charged with running a continuing criminal enterprise in at least 11 states, including Florida, between 1980 and June of this year. That charge carries a maximum penalty of life in prison. Kramer also was accused of conspiracy to distribute marijuana.

The Illinois indictment claims that Kramer distributed at least four large marijuana shipments, worth $305 million wholesale, in New York, San Francisco and New Orleans between 1983 and 1986.

Friday afternoon, federal agents swarmed into Kramer's Fort Apache Marina, 3025 NE 188th St., sealing it off until they can determine who owns the nearly 200 boats stored there. Kramer's property will be seized under a sealed warrant issued Friday. Agents also seized the property at Fort Apache Marine, at 2800 N. 30th Ave., Hollywood, a boat repair facility where the molds for Kramer's high-powered offshore boats are stored.

Kramer was arrested Thursday at his Williams Island residence as he prepared to leave for a powerboat race in Bay City, Mich. His boat, named Apache, was seized in Bay City.

Kramer appeared before U.S. Magistrate William Turnoff Friday, who ordered him held until a bond hearing Monday.

"We consider him to be an extreme risk of flight," assistant U.S. attorney Dan Cassidy said. "We consider him to be an extreme danger to the community."

Kramer, convicted of marijuana smuggling in 1978, will be tried in Benton, Ill.

Known as a brash and impatient man and a superb skipper, Kramer rose to powerboat prominence while associated with Robert Saccenti, a boat builder and the protege of the late Don Aronow. Kramer and Saccenti won the 1986 United States Open Class Offshore Powerboat Racing Championship and the 1984 world title.

Aronow was gunned down Feb. 3 just after visiting Kramer and Saccenti's Apache Performance Boats. Aronow's own company, USA Racing Team, is nearby. Kramer's lawyers said their client was not involved in Aronow's death, which is unsolved.

"There's no indication that I received whatever that he's involved in the Aronow case," attorney David Bogunschutz said.

Lt. Jerry Burgin of the Metro-Dade police homicide unit said he could not comment on who is or isn't a suspect.

FBI agents in Illinois came across Kramer's alleged smuggling operation while on the trail of race car driver Randy Lanier of Davie. Now a fugitive, Lanier failed to appear in court after his Jan. 23 indictment on a marijuana smuggling charge. Lanier is one of several unindicted co-conspirators in the Kramer indictment.

At the time of his arrest, Kramer was under investigation by the Drug Enforcement Administration, Internal Revenue Service and New Scotland Yard.

Dubbed Operation Man, the investigation has targeted marijuana smuggling and money laundering schemes in Britain's Isle of Man, the U.S. Virgin Islands and the tiny European principality of Liechtenstein.

The Illinois indictment returned Wednesday pressed DEA and IRS agents into action, DEA spokesman Jack Hook said. When agents learned that Kramer's associates were liquidating his assets -- estimated at $15 million -- they moved to seize them, Hook said.

Most of the vessels at Fort Apache Marina are owned by boaters who pay monthly storage fees. Agents began an inventory Friday, telling owners their boats would have to stay ashore until at least noon Monday.

One owner, Andrea Pardes, was miffed that her weekend of boating was ruined.

"This is real cute, you know that?" she said. "Just wait till the innocent victims can't get their boats."

Kramer purchased the property for his marina with the help of Don Whittington, a Broward race car driver who pleaded guilty last year to drug and tax evasion charges, Hook said. Whittington helped Kramer negotiate for the purchase, he said.

The Fort Apache Marina, which has slips and dry storage for about 200 boats, was built with $3.6 million from Kramer's smuggling operation, Hook said. He allegedly hid his company's ownership behind shell companies, Hook said. Kramer allegedly set himself up as the renter of Fort Apache Marina and, Hook said, and then paid himself $60,000 a month rent.

Saccenti, Kramer's partner, could not be reached for comment.

Paul Teresi, the agent in charge of the DEA's Fort Lauderdale office, said, "Our information does not indicate that he is associated with this particular block that we are seizing."

Apache Performance Boats, located at 3161 NE 188th St, was not seized.

Kramer's father Jack speculated his son's arrest was meant to put the squeeze on someone else.

"This is from something that happened back in 1978 and 1979," Jack Kramer said. "I don't know why they've done this."

Operation Man has resulted in 15 indictments thus far, Teresi said, including that of Elton Gissendanner, the former director of the Florida Department of Natural Resources. Gissendanner was indicted June 22 on an extortion charge that claims he accepted $80,000 from a convicted smuggler in exchange for recommending that convict receive probation. Gissendanner pleaded not guilty.

DEA agent Teresi said the Kramer investigation is continuing.

BEN KRAMER: BOAT CHAMP, LIFESAVER IS REIGNING U.S. open class offshore powerboat champion, winning the title last September in a race that began at Government Cut off Miami Beach.

SAVED throttleman Bob Saccenti's life after a crash Sept. 9 in Rochester, N.Y., that nearly killed Kramer himself.

WON the 1984 offshore powerboat open class world championship.

IN MAY 1986, he helped save Hollywood restaurateur Joe Sonken, whose car plunged off a dock into the Intracoastal Waterway near the Gold Coast Restaurant. Kramer and a restaurant bartender dived into the water and freed Sonken from his car, pulling him to shore.

And thats about 1/100th of good reading about Ben, take a look at how he tried to break out of prison. He is a real piece of work to put it nice.

LMAO.... Some people just crack me up... Too Funny..

I read enough.... No more needs to be said!!!

yes lets just send another helicopter to get him out maybe this time it wont crash or maybe it will and we can all be done with him

See now I got to google more... You talking helicopters and escape now..

Curiousity has me.....
sorry at the time of all of this I was 18-20.. Not worried about people like him.. I had one thing and ONE thing only on my mind!!!!!!

packinair was the chopper pilot ,and troutly rode along as security . of course they hit the wrong prison, now one of them is stuck inside

I remember my dad tellling me abou that story. Rumor also has it that just to transport him from jail to the court house they would pretty much shut down the route, add extra security, check for bombs along the way, etc...crazy stuff.

yes you do
He was in jail copter landed in proson yard to try and break him out crashed and he broke leg

Not a prob! :drink: Ben Kramer is just a VERY well known figure in the powerboat world, so your aggressive reply was a little surprising.

Ben Kramer is a former World/National Champion boat racer, as well as a founder and former owner of the original Apache Powerboats. He was also involved in the drug trade, and is thought by some to have had Don Aronow killed. He's currently serving life without parol. He's the topic of frequent debates over Aronow's murder, and the history of Apache boats and racing team.

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Wow. I have googled this man and found about 400,000 stories.. I will read some tonight... I have never heard of him but was not into the powerboats until Mid 90's..
Unbelievable stories i have read so far.... I mean WOW!!

Thanks

How does it come that everyone is against him?

thx