No Wake in any coves at LOTO!!!
 

Just to let everyone know, at the last minute the Rep. that was sponsoring this bill changed it to NO WAKE in ANY coves, not just ones under 400ft in width!!!

Here is the article!!

Ozark Paper

I can't believe Ozarks lasted this long without no wake zones.

Sucks, I know the feeling all too well. :mad:

I've never been to Grand Lake, what are your No Wake's like??

probably just a matter of time :(

Well, most of them are pretty necessary, except one.

There is a cove called "Duck Creek" where all of the clubs are located. It's about as wide as the area around Top Siders and Salty Dog. They made it no wake a couple of years ago. Takes 30 minutes to idle through it, one way.

There is absolutely zero reason to have it no wake. It has always been "open water" until some bastard that doesn't even own a boat decided he wanted some attention.

On the bright side, the entire lake community absolutely detests this individual for his actions. His memberships to all of the Yacht Clubs were revoked. He is not welcome in any of the local public bars. He basically can't go anywhere.

The no wake zone put a dent into the businesses in that cove. It is a tight knit group. If you piss them off they can make the lake a lonely place for you.

As long as they don't stick their nose anywhere else around here, it will continue to be a great place to boat.

Does this mean that no one can ski? we were going to teach our son to ski this year I guess that is out.

And to add to the problem:

If you are 25 foot or less with twins or 29 foot or less with a single - you can go 25 MPH thru Duck Creek but.....you have to stay to left of the red bouys and right of the green bouys....or it right of red and left of green.........whatever the hell it is, Cigracer is right, the whole Duck Creek thing is screwed!

The Ozarks has a ton of no wake areas presently. It takes more than 30 minutes to get under the Grand Glaze Bridge due to no wake during a weekend or Holiday. I have a house in a cove that has no wake restrictions toward the middle of the cove and back and none toward the mouth of the cove. No problems at all not having it no wake around there. Property owners up and down the lake could claim that the waves cause damage to their docks where does it stop??? Everyone that buys property or boats on the lake should be aware that waves are a natural thing in boating. When it becomes such as pain in the rear to boat, boating dies.
Believe me there is nothing worth saving around the Lake of the Ozarks if boaters get tired of the hassle.
During the winter months a full set of teeth is optional for the local ladies, however summer is something much different due to the people that the lake attracts.

Not to change the topic, but I just had a Lady stop by that has a place on Grand Lake. I guess they are on South Grand near a Spillway?? and Moonies?? We were talkign Boat lift's and I guess they have one if not the largest lift on Grand 22000lbs!! It raises their Nauitline houseboat, that has a KC Chiefs theme!!

Don't you have a Poker Run down there sometime?? If so I might have to come down!!

Perhaps they should look into limiting the size and HP on boats they allow on LOTO and ban the stinkin Jet Skis aka lake lice from coves, they are the core of the problem in stirring up the water in the coves and cause of most accidents


Im sure the marine dealers association will raise about 8 kinds of hell if that happens.

Best statement I've heard in a long time! "Lice" very fitting as well!

More than once I'll had to get off the sticks and even turn to avoid the little ba$tards.

Last I read boats under 26' can make wakes in the coves.The rules are for 26' & above. I hate the dumb ass's coming in my cove from all over & tearin stuff up,but not real sure I want this kind of legislation.

Length makes no difference. That makes no sense. Once again, idiots are running the show.

I know in Pittsburgh, we have a no wake zone on weekends, holidays and special events around the point. By no wake means cruise through at idle speed. Even a five inch ripple will get you stopped. Believe me I know. And there were only two other boats out that night. One of which was the fish and boat commision.

Welcome to our nightmare in FL, (Manatee Zones)!!!!
We wish you guys the best of luck in trying to stop this BS, BUT it will be an uphill battle if someone has a legislator's ear!
MD

Most boaters show some respect and slow down in my cove. The people I have the most often have the issues with are the fishermen. They want it to be still with no noise when they throw in their line but blow out of the cove like there is no tomorrow when they want to move on. I am not aware of many fishing boats in the Ozarks over 26 feet.
One time while down on my dock someone threw their line at my neighbors boat so it would drop right at the dock. If someone nails my boat with a fishing line I am going to blast them with paint balls. Many of them have no problem invading your space fishing within a few feet of you when you are on your dock and throwing out lines with jugs attached all around the Lake.
My only satisfaction is watching the little bastages try to handle the waves on a busy weekends.

Wakes
 

I have to agree and disagree with some of the statements above.
First: I do not think that some of this legislation will pass.I will not tip my hand yet on which parts. But my sorces tell me it is already losing some support.
Second: Limiting the size of boats that can and cannot create a wake is basically STUPID, from my location 12mm second house from point; it is not the size or style of craft, it is the I don't give a f$&k attitude of the operators. I don's mind some wave action, My dock is built for it. But when I am trying to pull in/out back off a little and give me a break.
Cruisers come in with the 12 point plow attached, lake lice towing kids with no lookout and bass boats that think they are excused from the rules.
I could go on, but do not have the whole day to discuss it.
I personally try to slow down in every cove to be courteous, but sometimes I don't. If it is posted no wake, I idle through.

That little clause has served me well for the last few years being under 25ft. It's going to be a 30 minute idle now every time I take out the boat. I'm not looking forward to it. I saw the plans for the new Arrowhead edition a few weeks ago.........BIG. Duck Creek just keeps shrinking.

"Duck Creek"

There must be something wrong with me here, but I have never heard of "Duck Creek" and I have grown up going to LOTO!!! What restaraunts/bars are here? I'm sure I know the establishments, but just have never heard this terms. Thanks

P.S. no wake should NOT apply to coves over a certain size, but I do understand no wake in high traffic coves. Doesn't mean I like it, at all, but I can simply understand...

OBNOXUS21,

Duck Creek is on Grand Lake. You should check it out sometime. It's not too far from Lawrence, and it's a great lake.

NicOteen---

Thanks...no wonder I ahve never heard of it. For some reason I was picturing the cove of BackWaterJack's at LOTO. I wanted to travel to different lakes last summer, but I had a motor being rebuilt, break, rebuilt, then a drive went so I just stayed at LOTO. Now I sold my truck, so it doesn't look like I will be traveling too much :(
Anyways I am going to sell the boat this summer.

So far from my informal talks with people it's about 50-50 in favor of it with quite a few of the locals not even knowing about it.

As usual the comments I get are "yea I support it because I have this one guy in my cove that...."

So as you see, it is usually the minority that ruins it for the masses.

I think it's a boaters responcibilty to watch there own wake. The crusiers are the main problem by me. They always go the wrong speed. Throwing huge wake, slow down or speed up. As for the lake lice, I have 2 and the rules are when your riding them, stay away from everything and everybody. If not your off my Jet ski.

the worst in my cove are the big bowriders pulling little kids in inner tubes & skis.Then there is "this one guy" LOL! No joke, the next to worstis a fellow Cigarette owner at the back of my cove,go figure.
Just imagine if the other coves owners approve the no wake & the cove you live in doesn't, guess where all of the jerks are gonna come? Thats you house!Yikes!

notice this seems to be tied to an increase in taxes for the water patrol, no wonder they are in favor of it.:(

Man, I've pissed them off now!!!
 

I SENT THIS TO THE MISSOURI WATER PATROL!


>>> "aharrington1" <[email protected]> 02/02/04 01:13PM >>>
I have heard that soon there will be a vote on weather to restrict all coves at Lake of the Ozarks to No Wake for boat's 26ft and over. I do not believe that is a good rule. By categorizing all boats over 26ft is unfair. If the Rule included a tonnage or weight class that would make more cense. I under stand that it would be hard to enforce, however if the operator of a boat doesn't know what the dry weight of his vessel then he or she shouldn't be driving the boat in the first place!! It's my opinion that Boat's with a weight of over 15,000 lbs. are the ones that are to blame for the size of the wakes at the Lake of the Ozarks. Please take this into consideration when ruling on the new No Wake zones!!



Thank you for reading my letter,

Brad Harrington

Avid boater at the Lake of the Ozarks for over 15years!

[email protected]

15520 Pebble Dr.

Basehor, KS. 6607

THEN THEY SAID

That's not true. There is a bill that would allow each cove that falls into the language to vote on their own cove.

Paul E. Kennedy
Director, Public Information & Safety Education Missouri State Water Patrol
2401 E. McCarty Street
P.O. Box 1368
Jefferson City, MO 65102-1368
(573) 751-3333 Phone
(573) 522-1287 Fax
[email protected] (new address) Don't Get Caught Dead Without Your Life Jacket www.mswp.dps.mo.gov

THEN I POSTED
>>> "aharrington1" <[email protected]> 02/02/04 04:07PM >>>
I thought the original content of the bill stated something to the effect of "coves with an opening of under 400ft in width" and that the bill was changed at the last minute to be phrased "all coves". I also understood that the cove would have to have over 75% of the property owners consent for approval.
Is this correct???

THEN THEY SAID

We support making coves on Lake of the Ozarks no wake-idle speed for boats 26' in length and longer if 75% or more of a coves residents sign a petition requesting such designation along with a buoy application.
Reasons we support:
a. It would make coves safer for people in the water, on docks and those operating smaller boats.
b. It would enable small boat owners to once again use these areas for skiing and cruising without fear of being swamped by large wakes.
c. Coves would only be restricted on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays during the peak boating season.
d. We believe it would return the lake to a more family oriented boating environment for owners and operators of all sizes of boats.
e. It would have a positive environmental impact by reducing shoreline erosion.
f. It would reduce the amount of dock, breakwater, seawall and boatlift damage caused by large wakes and apply only to coves.
g. It would not apply to some of the largest off channel areas that are classified as creeks.
h. All applications will still require an investigation and recommendation for approval or disapproval by the MSWP Buoy Committee.


Paul E. Kennedy
Director, Public Information & Safety Education Missouri State Water Patrol
2401 E. McCarty Street
P.O. Box 1368
Jefferson City, MO 65102-1368
(573) 751-3333 Phone
(573) 522-1287 Fax
[email protected] (new address) Don't Get Caught Dead Without Your Life Jacket www.mswp.dps.mo.gov

I know I shouldn't have, but I then sent them this reply.....
 

When you don't even touch on the subject of weight like I mentioned in my first e-mail, it makes me want to buy the heaviest 26ft Cruiser I can find and "PLOW" down every cove I can!!!

Thanks for the typical response that I should have expected!!!

Brad Harrington
15520 Pebble Dr.
Basehor Ks. 66007
913-422-4074 work
913-724-3355 home

At the end of his e-mail there is a "Siginuture" that says "Don't get caught dead without you lifejacket"

Being a Funeral Director I wanted to include
at the end of my e-mail
"Don't get caught DEAD. PERIOD!"
Brad Harrington Funeral Director
Harrington Funeral Home

But I didn't!:rolleyes: I thought I was already Rude enough!

I say we get a couple of us to go together and buy this just to PLOW anywhere we want at LOTO!!!

1978 Trojan Flybridge 26ft!!!!

Feeling a little fiesty today Brad? Were you denied last night? ;) If so, at least you know how to direct your frustration in a productive manner :D :p

Well actually I was!!!:eek:

But I have been sending e-mail back and forth with them for a couple of days!!

FH, you're right, you should not have. Being a hot-head is not going to help a bit.

So what about people with property on the main channel? Are their docks not important enough to restrict wakes?

If you are swimming in a cove and struck by a 25 foot boat on plane, does it hurt less?

Are wakes caused by a big bowrider pulling skiers or tubers in a confined cove less damaging than a 30 foot boat with a similar hull?

etc etc etc.

This is a poorly designed bill made either by mis-guided do-gooders, or people with an agenda. Either way it needs to be stopped. And being hot-headed is not going to stop it.

hahahaha!!!!!

Still LMFAO :D

Out here, unless you wanna pay, they all want those damn things called relationships :( So once they realize I am leaving..... It's not like I tell them either! They have already found out about me before f-ing approach!!! AHHHHH I am going nuts.....

You're so angry, that you are not reading well. The proposed law is for boats 26 feet and longer, not longer than 26 feet.

Doesn't someone make a 25 foot cruiser?

So when are they gonna have the new law figured out and where can I get a copy of this new law?

Yea, but the one I found was a Bayliner:rolleyes: it's not going to be heavy enough to put out as much of a wake as a SeaDoo!!:crazy:

I was upset at the law and that he didn't address the weight of boat's!!!

FunHome,
I am with you, the length designation is a stupid determination at best. The people in my cove that cause wakes near my dock and come close to people swimming are fishing boats, jet skis, and ski boats at the mouth of the cove, none of which are over 25 feet.
I knew when I bought my lake house that it would be rough at times. How rough it would get was factored in on the different areas I would consider.
This poorly designed law is intended for a few boaters that have no consideration for others property or personal safety. Any more it seems that this country is being run by special interest groups or the vocal minority that want more and more rules.
I DONT!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

By the way I received the same can response as FunHome to an e-mail I addressed to Paul Kennedy of the MO State Water Patrol. I asked him some very specific questions regarding the decision to base it on length of boat and he did not address anything other than he canned answers.
I really don't like when you take the time to voice your concern and they don't even bother reading what you send.

http://www.grda.com/Water/duckcreek.html

Here is an example of what they did at grand lake. The water level went up about 2 feet after they were done installing 500 lane buoys.

You need to talk to your Mo state Rep or Wayne Cooper from Camdenton. THe water Patrol enforces the law, Cooper has sponsored the bill.

You are not focusing your efforts toward the right group of people.

the part that worries me is by the time these wonderfull lawmakers get done it wont look anything like its being proposed today.
400 ft. wide will be 800 ft. and 26 ft. will be 18 ft.:(