dam i guess i should have read the bash thread 1st...glh beat me 2 it

Sydwayz....thats the irony. I saw no less that 5 boat accidents at the same location last year. On the Potomac but not one made the paper or radio, or TV. I think most of them where smaller boats 18-21 foot, one was a 25 foot cabin boat. I dont think anyone sustained any serious injuries. All at the red day marker before Nanjomey creek heading north on the Potomac. They put large rock piles around the marker about 40 feet on either side of the marker. At low tide they are 1 foot below the water and are invisible. Boaters that are unaware or inexperienced in that area find themselves with the bottom ripped open, and stuck on that pile of rocks. A number of complaints have been filed with the Coast Guard, and letters written, but they are still their. But if a performance boat is involved it would be on every media. Why It sells papers, and attracts viewers. No one wants to read about the 18 foot Bayliner stuck on the rocks. Let it be one of them Cigar boats, and you have a story. Especially if it had steps!!

Yeah, of course BB, the steps would keep you from backing off too! :D :D Where is Nanjomey Creek? Is it north of Fairview?

Thanks for bringing it back it's for the archives this thing. This and http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...threadid=77846 obviously Thanks Kevin.

I've thought that for a while ;)

hmmm avatar change on lpa???????

LOL!:D

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A month or two ago, there was a reference to being a female ... I call her LPGA

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Clemson grad.....now that's funny. :D :D :D and probably true:drool: :drool:

After you get that big boat are you going to venture out of your back yard? :D :D

Nanjemoy is about 10-15 miles south of Fairview. I just like ripping on those NOVA boaters with 40' boats that only go from Occoquan to the Mattawoman and back.

OK, so now that this thread qualifies for the "off topic" forum.. How about we start another thread on theh B Bay accident and get a few facts... And who knows, maybe even find out if the injured guy is OK??

As a local resident, I would like to know what happened. It wasn't that rough nor windy in the bay the other day...

You bet Dave! I just want a guide for a first couple times so I can map my GPS on safe paths! When I have twins I will feel comfortable boating to Solomon's and such even. The prospective boat will even plane on one engine!

Oh, and my backyard is Georgetown to Fairview. :D :D

Okay then we agree that step hulls and some non step hulls are unstable................. I'll support that statement.

T2x

So what about Cat hulls? What makes them more unstable? Pods? Steps? and at what designs are more likely to blow over?

And while I am somewhat humbled the you agreed with my ( and I do respect your opinion a great deal) statement you left of the "in certian attitudes" because I don't know enough about steps to say all attitudes. For example:

A double step hull boat may be perfectly stable in a turn as long as certain drive, tab and speed requirements are maintained. A true v may remain stable at less favorable attitude. And another true V may not have as much room for error.

When you buy an airplane you have to have a Pilots Operating Handbook that tells you how the plane will perform under conditions and what those limitations are. You have red line speeds, speeds not to exceed in turbulent weather, certain attitudes you shouldn't put the plane into, weight and balance information. Loading limits, G force limits and so on. I think some of this carries over to boats, especially ones that can be less stable because of different designs, be it steps, high X dimensions, pads and even horse power. I mean putting a 500HP engine in a Cessna 150 would be insane yet. Maybe putting 1000 HP in a gladiator is also insane, I don't know.

One thing my instructor told me is "once you go outside the limits in the book you are now a test pilot and I don't think you want to be that"

I think this applies to some of the boats today I mean who knows how much much power you can put in a 42 fountain and what the loading limits are? What is the minimum acceptable turn radius, drive and trim settings for a 60 MPH turn in 3 foot seas with the boat at max weight? How does that change when the boat is 600 lbs lighter because you burned off 100 gallons of fuel and changed the CG?

Sorry for the ramble but there are a lot of factors and I haven't seen many if any manufactures produce a lot of test and operating data on their boats.

Being built west of Denver........

T2x

That is a pretty strong banket statement considering there are some West Coast built cats running in the 150-160 range out here, and not one of those boats has had a problem yet.

The 30' HTM that crashed and killed it's occupants a couple years ago would be an exception, but there is still the debate if equipment failure (broken drive) caused the accident.

There are some fast cats running on havasu every weekend, and I can not think of one that has crashed recently.

I disagree completely with you on this one Havasu Cig. I would not call it a "pretty strong blanket statement" at all.
Arrogant and irresponsible would be the words I would use.

There's that buggy whip again!!! :D :D :D

I really wish you would have kept this to yourself! :rolleyes: NK

LOL!!!! :p :p :p

How so? Just the facts, maam.;)

Nah,, your boats way to slow to get into trouble with !!!!!!!!!!!:D :p :cool:

:D :D :D

anyone ever think that a driver put himsef in the position he gets in...think about it.


oh yeah, T2x wins all arguments....house rules

Was he trying to be macho?:confused:

I'll give you "arrogant" ...... I disagree with "irresponsible".


T2x

In the end there are no "winners" when lives are at stake...... Hopefully these threads make even the most defiant defender of his or her boat of choice sit back and take notice that death lasts a very long time...... regardless of how much you spent, who you "beat" in a debate on a website, or what some famous boat building genius "taught" you......

In performance boating...... question everything... discard statements made in ads and brochures... select your boat(s) wisely......and drive them very carefully.

There is a LOT of badly engineered and designed stuff out there..........

and a lot of people unqualified to handle even the good equipment.

Caveat Emptor

T2x

Here here !!!!

I say "irresponsible" for two reasons.
1. As much as you obviously know about boats, cats in particular, I cannot imagine it possible that you have visited every factory, driven every boat, and studied the design and handling characteristics of EVERY boat built "West of Denver". Therefore leaving you unqualified to make the statement that all the aforementioned boats are "unstable".

2. People on this board respect you and your advice enough that causing perhaps undue doubt rearding any boat manufacturer or their products simply for the mere fact of it's location of manufacture is completely unfair to the manufacturer and the members of this board.

Well said.;) I am confident enough in myself to admit that I would probably fall into this category of people.
That's also why I am not looking to find the outside of my envelope.;)

What a bunch of diverse reactions and meaningless rhetoric as well.

Look, if they ever did a study of how many men die of a heart attack during sex it would be a lot more than the number of V-bottoms that take a dip.

I am gonna boat, steps are a good thing, Cigarettes should not be sold to minors! :D

Does that mean I can't safely have sex anymore?...:( Or I can't have sex on a v-bottom?....:( Or sex on a v-bottom with steps?...:( ................:D

you can have sex in the gay bay if you want, I don't give a rat's ass :D

Them's are fightin' words from the land o' cheese!......... lmao.........:D

:D :D yum yum... that cheese was spectacular in my omelet this morning. Some of the best I've ever had.

I could have lived without the monkey's a$$hole... thankyouverymuch.... can you imagine looking at that thing in the mirror every day?........:crazy:

Reed we have seen it all