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dhlaw 04-29-2004 04:34 PM

Unbelieveable!!
 
ESPN.com news services
AMHERST, Mass. -- A University of Massachusetts student has openly criticized Pat Tillman, calling the former NFL player a Rambo-like idiot in the school paper.


The column in question was submitted by graduate student Rene Gonzalez and published Wednesday in the Daily Collegian. It was titled "Pat Tillman is not a hero: he got what was coming to him."


Gonzalez writes that Tillman was a "Rambo" who probably acted out of "nationalist patriotic fantasies." In his own neighborhood in Puerto Rico, according to Gonzalez, Tillman would not have been considered a hero, but a "pendejo," or idiot.


The column drew harsh criticism from many on campus. University president Jack Wilson says the op-ed piece was "disgusting, arrogant and intellectually immature."


Tillman, who gave up his NFL career to join the Army Rangers in 2002, was killed in combat one week ago in Afghanistan. The military announced on Wednesday that he has been posthumously promoted to the rank of corporal and awarded the Purple Heart and Meritorious Service Medal.


"You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the 'real' thick of things," Gonzalez writes in his column, which is posted on the collegiate paper's Web site. "I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life 'Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed.'"


Gonzalez also says that Tillman's service was not "necessary."


"It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable," Gonzalez writes. "What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his 'service' was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in."


In a letter to its readers Thursday, the Daily Collegian says Gonzalez' opinion in no way reflects that of the newspaper's editorial board. A column by one of the editors praising Tillman's sacrifice ran in the paper next to the one by Gonzalez.


"We do not hold back from printing news stories, columns or editorials that may upset our readership -- instead, we seek to both inform and stir debate through our publication," the letter, also posted on the Web site, reads. "Our decision to publish Gonzalez's column -- an opinion piece written by a member of our campus community -- is the only way for us to live up to this ideal."


Tillman will be eulogized at a public memorial service in his hometown of San Jose, Calif., early next week, and funeral arrangements are pending.


The body of Tillman arrived at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Monday. His brother, Spc. Kevin Tillman, also a Ranger with the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Ranger Regiment, was expected to accompany the body to the funeral home, Lawrence said.


Tillman was killed in a firefight on a road near Sperah, about 25 miles southwest of a U.S. base at Khost.


After coming under fire, Tillman's patrol got out of their vehicles and gave chase, moving toward the spot of the ambush. Beevers said the fighting was "sustained" and lasted 15-20 minutes.


The Cardinals said they will retire Tillman's No. 40 and name the plaza surrounding the new stadium under construction in suburban Glendale the "Pat Tillman Freedom Plaza."


Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

jtmiller02 04-29-2004 04:38 PM

pussies fight with pens and keyboards :hothead:

Jonas 04-29-2004 04:41 PM

they should send that little weiny to puerto rico,, or string him up by his whip aarse no gonad weiny

DoTheMath 04-29-2004 04:45 PM

That's been big news up here the last couple of days! Honestly, it left me speechless... Freedom of speech or not, that is the biggest load of bull$hit I have ever read and I think nothing short of a public stoning would suffice in that morons case!!:hothead:

Sydwayz 04-29-2004 04:47 PM

15 minutes of fame.... 20 too many.

mirageman 04-29-2004 05:07 PM

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THAT ****ING PISSES ME OFF!

I WATCHED ON THE NEWS THE ARMY RANGERS AND A CHAPLAIN GO TO THE FRONT DOOR TO HIS HOUSE TO TELL HIS WIFE THAT HE WAS KILLED IN ACTION. IT BROUGHT TEARS TO MY EYES.

This guy gave up something more important than money, more important than love. He gave his life for this country.

When I hear the word Honor, I will always think of him.

mirageman 04-29-2004 05:10 PM

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hp500efi 04-29-2004 05:14 PM

That student better watch his steps :mad:

Jonas 04-29-2004 05:15 PM

i can tell u he is way more man than i ever will be !!!
that guy had it going on and gave it up to serve his country,,, he is a true red white and blue hero!!

the fool that wrote that should and will i hope be a black and blue whimp

mirageman 04-29-2004 05:21 PM

I hear you Jonas. I am a worthless piece of crap compared to that Hero.
I know that for a fact because I would have taken the 3 million over going to war.

mirageman 04-29-2004 05:28 PM

THIS IS THE *******/*****

Rene L Gonzalez
[email protected]
(413) 253-9639

name: Rene L Gonzalez
department: Campus Activities
mail: [email protected]
phone: (413) 253-9639
class level: Doctoral
major: Political Science


Gotta love the power of the internet...Wherever you hide we will find you

ThirdBird 04-29-2004 05:42 PM

Who the hell does this Gonzolas dude think he is!?!?!:mad:

While I find it hard to believe Tillman turned down the cash for war, and I have to wonder what was going through Tillman's head, the bottom line is it is none of my business what Tillman's motives were. He did what he did and he showed uncommon courage. I would have liked to have shaken Tillman's hand.

It's guys like Tillman that get chit done. It's just too bad he got killed. That man is hero in my mind, period.

Rest easy Mr. Tillman, and thank you.

ThirdBird 04-29-2004 05:50 PM


Originally posted by Troutly
How ironic that if it were not for people like Pat Tillman willing to fight for our freedoms people like Rene Gonzales would not be free to write this drivel...

ZACTLY!!!!!!:mad:

Comanche3Six 04-29-2004 06:02 PM

I would love to slap the **** of this Gonzales. It wouldn't solve anything. But, I would feel great doing it.
I hate AntiAmericans.

jtmiller02 04-29-2004 06:21 PM

time to sign someone up for some porn lists :D :D :D

i wish my back wasn't hurt, i'd be over there in a heartbeat along side a bunch of my good friends

mirageman 04-29-2004 06:23 PM

Have bat....will travel :)

Sonic30ss 04-29-2004 06:31 PM

Once this a$$hole gets out of school and has to work for his supper instead of having Daddy pay for it he WILL change his tune......or he may just sit back and feel, like many of todays youth, that this country or his boss owes him something...either way he's in for a RUDE awakening.:hothead:

ToddW 04-29-2004 06:32 PM

We enjoyed watching Pat Tillman throughout his football career here in Arizona and were overwhelmed what he gave up to fight for us. We are proud of you Pat. God bless you and your family. We'll miss you.


As for this moron in Mass.........F$%& off.:mad:

dhlaw 04-29-2004 06:41 PM

I am not a football fan, I am not a fan of G Bush nor of this war but I can say this with conviction....... Pat Tillman was the epitome of a "red, white and blue badass".

dyno 04-29-2004 06:45 PM


Originally posted by ToddW
We enjoyed watching Pat Tillman throughout his football career here in Arizona and were overwhelmed what he gave up to fight for us. We are proud of you Pat. God bless you and your family. We'll miss you.


As for this moron in Mass.........F$%& off.:mad:

Ditto!

eyezlee 04-29-2004 07:18 PM

I don't know what to say. I guess this guy can say what he did because MEN like Pat Tillman have the courage to step up and protect the freedoms of American citizens.

Pat Tillman and all the other men and women that have fought and died for this country for over 200 years are all Heroes.

Fightclub 04-29-2004 10:03 PM

Rene L Gonzalez
 
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Wasabe 04-29-2004 10:07 PM

what an a$$.

That guy needs a bazooka up his butt.

cuda 04-29-2004 10:41 PM

I'd like to meet this puss one on one and let's see what he's got. F*&ck am I pissed.

OldSchool 04-30-2004 07:35 AM


Originally posted by mirageman
THIS IS THE *******/*****

Rene L Gonzalez
[email protected]
(413) 253-9639

name: Rene L Gonzalez
department: Campus Activities
mail: [email protected]
phone: (413) 253-9639
class level: Doctoral
major: Political Science


Gotta love the power of the internet...Wherever you hide we will find you

This guy NEEDS to get an azz whoopin' really bad!!!:hothead: :hothead: :hothead:

I'm going to send him an email invitation to come to the Nation's Capital and go boating.;)

GLH 04-30-2004 08:28 AM

I wonder what color beret he wears driving his 1976 Volvo while smoking his Gauloise and drinking his tisane.


Whimp Lib.

scottsumrall 04-30-2004 08:30 AM

this guy needs to be shot in the head..............................

CigDaze 04-30-2004 08:43 AM

Hopefully, Gonzalez won't last much longer. :mad: :hothead:

It's ungreatful, whiney, snot-nosed, pieces of **** like Gonzalez that make this country not what it could potentially be.

He's a leach and a waste of space.

It it weren't for people like Tillman, Gonzalez would be digging a ditch or weaving twine in his home third world country. :mad: :mad:

Go back where you came from you ungreatful phuck!!!

MitchStellin 04-30-2004 08:52 AM

You are a spineless waste of space. You think your Freedom of Speech came from a can? How dare you insult the men and women who have given us this freedom. You are not welcome in the Country anymore, go home and stay home. If I ever see you ,you better be able to run the mile in under 4 minutes.

THIS IS WHAT I JUST SENT


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RollWithIt 04-30-2004 11:02 AM

The great and bad about being a democracy with freedom of speech. Sometimes people take advantage of it to spew their own ill tribble. While I would always encourage people to speak their mind and express themselves, I would encourage them to get thier facts straight. To exploit a death in war, unfortunately death is a part of war, and put your own propagandist spin on it is just wrong. Politicians and the living can defend themselves, the dead can not. Let the dead rest. While Mr. Gonzalez must have taken all his societal courses, he must not have taken any Ethics courses yet.

Ange 04-30-2004 11:21 AM

I'm not all that sure that eithics course would mean anything to this little scum bag anyway. Jason, I think this is a prime case of a need for one of those a$$ kicking we were talking about.

45sonic 04-30-2004 12:06 PM

I'm so glad this came to the OSO.

I don't have much to say other than I agree with each one of you.

Freedom of speech or not that was completely wrong. Only after reading and hearing about Tillman's death did all of this REALLY hit home. Opinions like that need to be kept to the individual and not published or broadcast.

Don't like who is defending your 1st amendment right then get the HELL out.

Bill

Craig, the invitation to go boating is a good idea. I need someone to inspect my props while under way.

Caincando1 04-30-2004 02:04 PM

Taken from the news today. Do hero's do this?

The photos showed U.S. troops smiling, posing, laughing or giving the thumbs-up sign as naked, male Iraqi prisoners were stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts with one another.

robyw1 04-30-2004 02:22 PM

Unfortunately there are too many spineless cowards just like him in this world and not enough Hero's like Tillman. Don't give these extreme leftist little pukes the satisfaction of your displeasure about at their statements. These gutless little poodle puzzies feed on the controversy and it makes believe they have a purpose in society.


We all know you couldn't find a better definition for the word hero than Pat Tillman. Our best thoughts are with his family and words could never define how much we appreciate the sacrifice made by all of the soldiers fighting in combat.

God bless you Pat

Steve 1 04-30-2004 03:58 PM

Originally posted by Caincando1
Taken from the news today. Do hero's do this?

The photos showed U.S. troops smiling, posing, laughing or giving the thumbs-up sign as naked, male Iraqi prisoners were stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts with one another.
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I have no pity none at all for any of the Iraqi prisoners not even for a dumb a$$ like you and much less for that psychotic anti American coward infested liberal press.. where were they when these "nice people" had our own solders prisoners or Dragging them thru the streets and hanging Americans bodies from a bridge or burning and hacking to death.. Get it straight Dumas this is War!!

dhlaw 04-30-2004 05:20 PM


Originally posted by Steve 1
Originally posted by Caincando1
Taken from the news today. Do hero's do this?

The photos showed U.S. troops smiling, posing, laughing or giving the thumbs-up sign as naked, male Iraqi prisoners were stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts with one another.
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I have no pity none at all for any of the Iraqi prisoners not even for a dumb a$$ like you and much less for that psychotic anti American coward infested liberal press.. where were they when these "nice people" had our own solders prisoners or Dragging them thru the streets and hanging Americans bodies from a bridge or burning and hacking to death.. Get it straight Dumas this is War!!

Steve,
those are "detainees" not prisoners. They were not taken in combat but actually taken at checkpoints because they appear "suspicious"......

PhantomChaos 04-30-2004 05:31 PM


Originally posted by Steve 1

I have no pity none at all for any of the Iraqi prisoners not even for a dumb a$$ like you and much less for that psychotic anti American coward infested liberal press...........


Oh brother...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: So informed! :D

Steve 1 04-30-2004 05:36 PM

d-law Then why were they detained ?? Maybe for the RPG they had in their "tool set"..

These are not the class of people we would meet on the way home from Church or Synagogue..

Like I said asking me for pity is useless..

Formula Outlaw 04-30-2004 05:39 PM

We are "AT WAR" with a gutless, spineless enemy. One who kills defenseless women and children with complete impunity, with total disregard or respect for human life. One who is unwilling to live peacefully with those who may have adopted a different philosophy, either religion, or social. One who is not going to stop, ever, until he is stopped. He is a disease, a cancer, something that must be eradicated by any means possible. And I mean ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. And to those who would say that makes us like them I say no it does not. We allow them to live their lives as they see fit, they do not. That makes the difference. Either live in peace, or do not live. That simple.:mad:

Steve 1 04-30-2004 05:40 PM

Oh brother...... So informed!

By Nort
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Hey guy at least I was over there and helped in my own small way ;As some of my Equipment helped protect our Brave troops..


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