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Old 06-10-2004, 02:20 PM
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6.09.04—MERCURY RACING DROPPING THREE ENGINES FROM LINEUP: Once the backbone of the Mercury Racing engine line, the HP500EFI will be discontinued in 2005. Also on the chopping block for the coming model-year are the HP575SCi and Scorpion 377 power plants. Despite the discontinuations, however, the Fond du Lac, Wisc., company will continue to stock parts for the engines.

"The 525 is, by far, our most popular engine," said Rick Mackie of Mercury Racing. "It's just taken over in consumer use and racing. With everything it offers, it's a pretty good value."

That value—and consumer response to it—played a significant role in Mercury Racing's decision to discontinue the HP575SCi. With a Bravo XR drive, the HP525EFI retails for $45,216. An HP575SCi engine with the same drive package costs $56,403. Approximately 25 hp or less separates the two engines. Plus, the HP525EFI features closed cooling and SmartCraft technology. The only other Mercury Racing engine with SmartCraft is the 1075SCi.

The elimination of the 575 will leave Mercury Racing with a significant gap between its 525-plus-hp HP525EFI and its supercharged 1,075-hp HP1075SCi engines. Mackie said the company is currently developing an engine to fill the void.

Mercury Racing is currently backlogged with orders for the HP525EFI. Mackie said the company hopes to be caught up by the end of this month.

"The whole market seemed to really open around boat-show time," said Mackie. "Some of that was forecast, but obviously some of it was not—on both our side and the OEM side. And around the first of the year, we put together a promotion around racing that was quite a success. I think that accounted for about 20 (HP525EFI) engines."

A stronger performer in the field, the small-block-based 377 Scorpion never performed well in terms of sales. Its chances for success dropped further when MerCruiser, a separate company from Mercury Racing though both are under the Mercury Marine umbrella, introduced the 320-hp MX 6.2 MPI engine two years ago.

"The pure cost of the 377 with all its specialty parts—it just didn't move very well," said Mackie. "With the 6.2, you get similar power and SmartCraft at a lower price.—Matt Trulio
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The 496 is the GM production base and Merc will need to base thier engines around it. How about a 496 based short block (with forged internals) with Raylar heads and cam and 500-525HP and then a 496 with a whipple (they allready use this on the 1050) at 600-650HP.
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6.09.04—MERCURY RACING DROPPING THREE ENGINES FROM LINEUP: Once the backbone of the Mercury Racing engine line, the HP500EFI will be discontinued in 2005. Also on the chopping block for the coming model-year are the HP575SCi and Scorpion 377 power plants. Despite the discontinuations, however, the Fond du Lac, Wisc., company will continue to stock parts for the engines.

"The 525 is, by far, our most popular engine," said Rick Mackie of Mercury Racing. "It's just taken over in consumer use and racing. With everything it offers, it's a pretty good value."

That value—and consumer response to it—played a significant role in Mercury Racing's decision to discontinue the HP575SCi. With a Bravo XR drive, the HP525EFI retails for $45,216. An HP575SCi engine with the same drive package costs $56,403. Approximately 25 hp or less separates the two engines. Plus, the HP525EFI features closed cooling and SmartCraft technology. The only other Mercury Racing engine with SmartCraft is the 1075SCi.

The elimination of the 575 will leave Mercury Racing with a significant gap between its 525-plus-hp HP525EFI and its supercharged 1,075-hp HP1075SCi engines. Mackie said the company is currently developing an engine to fill the void.

Mercury Racing is currently backlogged with orders for the HP525EFI. Mackie said the company hopes to be caught up by the end of this month.

"The whole market seemed to really open around boat-show time," said Mackie. "Some of that was forecast, but obviously some of it was not—on both our side and the OEM side. And around the first of the year, we put together a promotion around racing that was quite a success. I think that accounted for about 20 (HP525EFI) engines."

A stronger performer in the field, the small-block-based 377 Scorpion never performed well in terms of sales. Its chances for success dropped further when MerCruiser, a separate company from Mercury Racing though both are under the Mercury Marine umbrella, introduced the 320-hp MX 6.2 MPI engine two years ago.

"The pure cost of the 377 with all its specialty parts—it just didn't move very well," said Mackie. "With the 6.2, you get similar power and SmartCraft at a lower price.—Matt Trulio
So it's a HO or a 525 or a 1050 basically in "bigblocks". I think that the efficiency of newer boats have put them in a position where they see 24'-30' boats doing fine with a single and 32'-38' boats doing well with twin HO's or 525's and then the 1050's for 40' and up or go triple 525's. I really think in talking to a couple guys there that there is not much need for more. Less tooling, consolidation and more profits. The guy at Merc goes "well feller ever consider triples? We feel that's where the reliability is anyways". I heard that from a dealer too where if asked about options they are pushing triples on 40' and up now more than ever. Is it true that triples on a larger 40'+ boat give more control to stepped hulls? Several folks I talked to seemed to think so and the "word out of a few factories" is the move is in that direction. Probably if that's the case a Merc directive. Sell more 525's. At 45k a pop for 500 HP they call it a "pretty good value". 90k for twins and 135k for triples. Those GM engines with similiar parts retail for 18k in the volume you know who buys from them at probably more like 10k+10k to marinize it= 20k. Such a deal!

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I'm with you, fuel usage is worth a ton of moneyto me alone, I have been considering putting fuel flow meters on both my tanks, because I have no idea how much fuel I burn.
You dont want to know. I was wondering about what the V6 burns myself.... Yesterday, 25 gallons, 4 hours, this morning threw in another 12, 2 hours, boat is empty.

And yes, it has only seen 2 speeds.

With the 500EFI gone, what will happen to Factory racing?
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what block is the 525efi based on? i thought it was a 502...i could be wrong. doesnt merc. racing only offer 1 yr warranties on its motors?? does the vortec hp3 ever come into play here? how about lightweight turbodiesels with 5 yr warranties....cummins/mercruiser? geez, my head is spinning here!!!!
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I thought 525 was a 454 with blower?
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what block is the 525efi based on? i thought it was a 502...i could be wrong. doesnt merc. racing only offer 1 yr warranties on its motors?? does the vortec hp3 ever come into play here? how about lightweight turbodiesels with 5 yr warranties....cummins/mercruiser? geez, my head is spinning here!!!!
HP525EFI is the same block as the HP500EFI which is a 502. The hp3 is a 496. None of these have a blower.
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I thought 525 was a 454 with blower?
The 525"SC" is a 454 block.
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