Or a Fountain That's my point, buying a pleasure boat based on how a custom built race boat, prepped by a team and set up for one purpose is like saying I'm buying a Chevy Monte Carlo because Dale Jr won the weekend's NASCAR race...

OK, I am NOT really SERIOUS here, and not trying to piss anyone off, but after just getting off the Cig website.

Is Cigarette an apparel manufacturer that makes Boats? OR
Is Cigarette a Boat manufacturer that makes apparel?

Again, I say this ONLY IN GEST.

Not necessarily true....... In theory the race teams are supposed to be the proving grounds and R&D for the production versions. Unfortunately this is not happening any longer. Cigarette has drifted very far from its roots of Aronow going out on sunday and kicking ass or wrecking the boat and using the lessons he learned to adjust his production versions. Big Skip doesnt care about racing and the by product of his attitude is that the design is stagnant from a hull perspective. Does my Gun handle well?? Hell yes in rough water going straight and in turns at moderate speeds. Notch it up to race speed turns and pushing and there are problems...... but that doesnt matter to the factory. I love both of my cigs and am proud to own them, I would just like to take Skip for a few laps in the Gladiator at speed so that he can understand what I am speaking about. He can even wear a jeweled T-Shirt!!!!! (hope he knows how to swim)

Does Outerlimits race???

Ride quaility have to give it to the AT. I have been in both in moderate rough water (4-6). The AT landed much softer, turned much better. Now can they both handle the rough stuff...HELL YES....Resale, heritage, name recognition and all the other stuff that goes alng with owning a Cig then you have to go that way. If it was my dollars spending on a new boat I'd have to go the AT route. Dont ge me wrong I love Cigs. I think their classic look is timeless.

It's all about personal prefernce and what you like. You really can't make a bad choice here.

WOW! That was a forecast and a half! Docker you should be a palm or tarot card reader.

I beleive there are suitable equities on both sides of the fence. It is amazing that there is always room for another boat manufacturer. Consider how many auto manufacturers there are and in relationship there are approximately 500 boat manufacturers! Always room for JELLO?

I'm biased. Cigarette. Imagine that.

Remember the cereal commercial where they 'Ask Mikey"?

Why not ask Mikey? (oh, and his girls!) Who cares about which boat I'll take the girls as they will give the best ride!

Bill-
I have an AVH with HP500EFIs coming in this week off trade.. I hope to get my hands on it. then I'll let you know my opinion.

Oh, and 2-3' "confused"...should be nothing in either of these boats.

Hey I just saw that boat an hour ago, Gordo was heading to the lake.

Now THATS funny!!! LOL


Just rode the AT at All Pro. It was kinda rough Saturday around noon - boat rode quite well. Although THAT particular boat needs some TLC. My 3 year old PQ looks newer and better maintained than that AT w/ 4 hours on the clock!!

However, I have wanted a Cig since I was 12. I think that I must follow my heart. Thanks for all the input. Now I gotta find me a TG TS.

Cigarette any day !! Plus it is better built.