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BillR 06-30-2004 01:59 PM

A new Cigarette in the HRPA!
 
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I have been looking a long time for the "right" boat.

Well I believe I have found it.

Today I took delivery of a 2002 Top Gun TS w/ 575SCI's in it. Looks to be well cared for, although cabin & cockpit was dirty esp by my standards. Outside and motor box was spectacular.

As I write this The details from Waxing Frenzy are cleaning and detailing the cockpit and cabin.

Pics as soon as I get some.


Been wanting a Cig since I was 12, and that was a looong time ago.


Now anyone able to give me some tips on how much trim is needed when running? Any other tips will cetainly be appreciated

SummerObsession 06-30-2004 02:01 PM

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VERY nice!!!!

You will enjoy your new Cig, they are great boats!

BobbyB 06-30-2004 02:03 PM

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Congrats!!! I cant wait to see more pics.

OldSchool 06-30-2004 02:05 PM

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Congrats Bill!!! :) Where did you end up finding it?

hp500efi 06-30-2004 02:11 PM

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Bill, that boat has your colors all over it .... nice and flashy just like your PQ :)

Be safe and enjoy the new ride.

BillR 06-30-2004 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by craig223
Congrats Bill!!! :) Where did you end up finding it?

Lake Cumberland Marine.
Decent folks!

clearcut3 06-30-2004 02:21 PM

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Congrats!!!

You can now change your Avatar from looking for a topgun to found a top gun :)

lucky strike 06-30-2004 02:25 PM

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CONGRATS!!! You will never go to anything now. Welcome to the club. :)

LS JR.

BLee 06-30-2004 02:36 PM

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Great looking boat. Those 575's are awesome engines.

45sonic 06-30-2004 02:41 PM

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Enjoy! It's beautiful!

GLH 06-30-2004 02:42 PM

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Good for you.

BillR 06-30-2004 02:43 PM

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Now anyone able to give me some tips on how much trim is needed when running? Any other tips will cetainly be appreciated

BLee 06-30-2004 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BillR
Now anyone able to give me some tips on how much trim is needed when running? Any other tips will cetainly be appreciated

First step hull?

Pick up the July issue of "Boating" magazine. There is a good article in there on page 22 about driving stepped boats. It is not difficult, but totally different from straight vee's.

BillR 06-30-2004 02:51 PM

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No, 3ed stepped hull.

just figured some TG owners could give me some insight on what trim level is about right. When I sea trialed the boat, I didn't feel the props break loose as I gave more trim. I am sure there is a point of over trim, I would like to know about where that is.

damdonzi 06-30-2004 02:53 PM

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Atta boy! Love the colors.

BLee 06-30-2004 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BillR
No, 3ed stepped hull.

just figured some TG owners could give me some insight on what trim level is about right. When I sea trialed the boat, I didn't feel the props break loose as I gave more trim. I am sure there is a point of over trim, I would like to know about where that is.


When I'm just out running around I usually leave it at 4 or so. When I'm running hard, I trim as far as 5 1/2. I used to be able to trim to 6 or so but I switched to Sportmaster Shorties. Anything past that is overtrimmed.

Indy 06-30-2004 03:09 PM

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Life is good :)

Sydwayz 06-30-2004 03:35 PM

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Congrats Bill! Will we see it on the Richmond Run?

Jan 06-30-2004 04:08 PM

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Kick A$$ Bill, I know you will love it. That is a nice looking boat.



Jan

spitfire1 06-30-2004 04:50 PM

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Beautiful boat Bill....congratulations......

thedonz 06-30-2004 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BillR
I have been looking a long time for the "right" boat.

Well I believe I have found it.

Today I took delivery of a 2002 Top Gun TS w/ 575SCI's in it. Looks to be well cared for, although cabin & cockpit was dirty esp by my standards. Outside and motor box was spectacular.

As I write this The details from Waxing Frenzy are cleaning and detailing the cockpit and cabin.

Pics as soon as I get some.


Been wanting a Cig since I was 12, and that was a looong time ago.


Now anyone able to give me some tips on how much trim is needed when running? Any other tips will cetainly be appreciated


Bill,

My thought is you can never have too much trim when you are running the gun. I would start with four or five girls. If there is no problem getting on plane, then add two girls at a time until you feel a little overwhelmed, at that point, back off two girls. That should be enough trim. Good luck and let us know how it goes. You have a beautiful rig there, good luck.

Nauti-Props 06-30-2004 05:03 PM

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CONGRATS!!!!!!
It's great to have a gun in the club. I also look forward to stretching the legs in the rough stuff....

jmackin 06-30-2004 06:20 PM

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Congrats! Did you sell or trade your 34?

Macklin 06-30-2004 07:17 PM

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I just left Bill at the marina doing what he does best......waxing with Frenzy! :D Beautiful boat! I am sure you will have it as clean as the PQ in no time. Those guys at Cumberland are going to be amazed when they see your boat.

Can't wait for the weekend so I can hear you go by!! :(

Congrats Bro!!!!!!

Havasu Cig 06-30-2004 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BillR
No, 3ed stepped hull.

just figured some TG owners could give me some insight on what trim level is about right. When I sea trialed the boat, I didn't feel the props break loose as I gave more trim. I am sure there is a point of over trim, I would like to know about where that is.

I would check the drives with a straight edge to see where nuetral is, but our 01 TS likes to be trimmed about 3 1/2 when cruising and just over 4 when running flat out. This is in relatively calm water. Your trim indicator could be different depending on where nuetral is though.

Awesome boat, have fun!!

BillR 06-30-2004 08:53 PM

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Thanks for the advice!

mcraymond3 06-30-2004 09:05 PM

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That is a great looking boat. I saw it when I bought my Gladiator from Lake Cumberland. Aren't they good people to deal with!!

jtmiller02 06-30-2004 09:54 PM

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mcraymond will you be going to the SBI races in Washington, NC during August?

I'm planning on going up and hopefully we will have a spot set up to sell the offshoreonly stuff with one of the race teams. My dad works right near Jacksonville at Henry's Tackle Co. I think their office is actually in Swansboro or one of those little towns right there south of Morehead. Once they move up there full time I will probably be spending more time there when I can.

bajabob38 07-01-2004 09:59 PM

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Bill, Glad to see your dream come true, You have a great looking Boat there!!That thing should be getting you up in the high 80's to 90's :cool:

stecz20 07-01-2004 10:43 PM

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bill, good stuff. good luck with her...

CBlakeNS 07-02-2004 12:58 AM

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Wow, of course I wanted to see the pictures but my Gold membership ran out but I thought someone renewed it, crazy... time to save up, in the mean time can someone just upload these at www.imageshack.us so I can see them?!

baja27 07-02-2004 07:58 AM

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Bill nice boat! I like the colors :-)

SR-24 07-02-2004 08:31 AM

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I'm with thedonz, the more trim in the boat the better!

Vyper340 07-02-2004 08:45 AM

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Congrats! I especially like the purple in the paint scheme!! :) :) :)

Sydwayz 07-02-2004 08:54 AM

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Its not as simple as the more trim the better. You will obviously get to a point where the props are blowing out. I assume you guys are recommending a lot of trim to keep the ass end/steps in the water. First of all, trimming it out that far will launch the boat nose high on the right wave, especially if the props are still punching through the water as the nose is leaving the water. That will hurt someone. Second, you will get to a point where the boat will porpoise and will actually be lifting the weight carrying capacity of the first step out of the water, which will make the boat extremely unstable in turns.

Bill, you are going to have to find the sweet spot. Stick this up on the Cig Owners forum and get some more pure input.

I have posted this before, and I like this threory. Thank you Pat from AT.
A twin step (or more) boat will have indecisive issues on turning at times. Depending on fuel, gear, and people aboard; wind, water, and wave conditions, the boat will decide upon a different step than you expect; to pivot on in a turn. This is commonly when folks get bent out of shape and in trouble, as the boat will be turning sharper or wider than you expect with your throttle position. A single step boat is less prone to this, as it is a bit more predictable in turns; as it will always pivot on that one step. Turning overly hard in a boat when it just is not stuck to the water, in any bottom will also get you out of shape.

(That should stir up some ruckus. :D However, in my experience, I believe it to hold water; pun intended.)

OR, you could just keep trimming until you get to the trailer postion; and see what happens. :D You may hit 110. :D

SR-24 07-02-2004 09:05 AM

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No, If you read "thedonz's" post, he was making a funny about "trim/beaver". The more "in the boat" the better.

Sydwayz 07-02-2004 09:08 AM

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SR-24, I missed that. :D :D

thedonz... Good one!

frenzy 07-04-2004 10:08 AM

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Bill,

Awesome boat! Glad our guys were able to get her shining like new! We'll be sure to get lots of pics of her at our Poker Run next month! Fits you two to a tee! A great addition to HRPA.

frenzy 07-04-2004 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jtmiller02
mcraymond will you be going to the SBI races in Washington, NC during August?

I'm planning on going up and hopefully we will have a spot set up to sell the offshoreonly stuff with one of the race teams. My dad works right near Jacksonville at Henry's Tackle Co. I think their office is actually in Swansboro or one of those little towns right there south of Morehead. Once they move up there full time I will probably be spending more time there when I can.

We'll be there. Looking forward to talking with you in person.

jtmiller02 07-04-2004 05:27 PM

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frenzy: sounds good, I look forward to meeting more folks from Offshoreonly.com all the time. A lot of folks are stuck on whos competing with who with what products, as long as things are selling and the customers are happy I'm happy. I wish you guys all the best and how to meet you soon! I don't care if someone is buying from me, as long as they are buying from somone who treats them well and the products do what they should I am happy for them. I get tired of the petty pissing contest attitude.


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