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I'm not a big baseball fan but of course I'm watching now.

What is the sox curse? I know it's becuase they traded the Babe.

Is it:

They never got past the yankees to get into the World Series?

They never won a World Series?

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Ron

Go to bed

Mike

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Is Red Sox 'curse' rooted in anti-Semitism
PETER EPHROSS
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
NEW YORK - Most casual baseball fans know about the "Curse of the Bambino."

Now a sportswriter has written that the curse - which links the Boston Red Sox's failure to win a World Series since 1918 to the sale of slugger Babe Ruth the following year to the New York Yankees - has anti-Semitic origins.

The article comes as the history of Jews in baseball is getting unprecedented pub-licity, including a recent two-day conference at baseball's Hall of Fame celebrating Jewish players. The story also comes as Shawn Green, a player with the Los Angeles Dodgers, made his decision to sit out one of his team's two games during Yom Kippur.

As writer Glenn Stout tells it, the story revolves around the anti-Semitic attitudes of pre-World War II America - and some previously unchall-enged historical inaccuracies.

In the September 2004 issue of Boston Baseball magazine, Stout writes that the roots of the animus against Harry Frazee, then the Red Sox owner, lie in his battles with the president of the American League, Ban Johnson.

Knowing that Frazee was from New York and was a theatrical producer, Johnson assumed he was Jewish. But he was wrong - Frazee was Protestant, Stout writes.

Further, Stout writes, the "facts" behind the curse are not true: the sale of Ruth was not necessary to finance the Broadway show "No, No, Nanette," and many thought the sale was a good move.

But the Frazee-was-Jewish story gained further traction when Frazee was blasted in automobile magnate Henry Ford's anti-Semitic newspaper, The Dearborn Independent.

Frazee's tenure as owner of the Red Sox amounted to "the smothering influences of the 'chosen race,'" the Indepen-dent railed in 1921.

The problem, the Indepen-dent decided, was that Frazee was an unprincipled business-man, not a baseball purist.

"Baseball was about as much a sport to Frazee as selling tickets to a merry-go-round would be," an article in the paper said, according to Stout, adding that "baseball was to be 'promoted' as Jewish mana-gers promote Coney Island."

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WASABE..go to bed...

or come to Key West.. :drink:

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I Love Baseball! I had season tickets to the Angels for 7 years and let them go when they got rid of Spezio.

My Keys :D

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I'm going to Orlando in 1 1/2 weeks. The summer house in Key Largo is getting fixed after the mess. I won't be able to head down there this time.

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You forgot a choice for Neither.... It should be that they have not won a world series since 1918.

At leaste we did not get swept!!!! :(

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The basic idea behind the Curse of the Bambino, is that after the sale of the Babe, the Red Socks had zero benifit, and the Yankee's won everything.

This is as riduculous as the poor wittle Cubs having every excuse, besides the fact that both of their teams are just not that good. In ANY of either teams so called "cursed" plays, they have had a game that followed where they crumbled.

Great teams overcome bad calls and plays, these have never been great teams. :eek: :D :D

Sorry!

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Just prolonging the AGONY my friend... :cool: :D

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The agony of you guys knowing that you field THREE Sub par teams in the NFL :D:D At leaste the Jets are undefeated this year so far but they have not played anyone good. Next week is your test then I think you have the colts so lets hope that in Two weeks you are 5 and 2 :D:D

As for the Sox they are proving to be what they always are... second best to the Yankees. You guys have the highest paid team, and the Sox are the second highest paid team. LOVE Joe Torri but that is about all I like about the Yankmee's :D:D

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Baseball was never the same after Mickey Mantle retired.....

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go yanks......

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May the Cubs and the Red Sox CURSE go on for another year!

GO Cardinals!

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yes indeed.....

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:eek:

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season tix holder here... im a die hard....im glad we are not americas team. its good to be hated by all.... go yanks......

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S T R E E E E I K E --- 1 :D .... GO YANKS.... :p Boston :p

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GO SOX :drink: :drink:

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Uh oh....here come the Sox. Tonite might be the biggest game in baseball since Koufax's perfect game. Here is a tip....the yankee's are done. Sox in 7!

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Right. GO HOME !

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Yeah...it aint over for the chump Red Sox fans yet! Go National League :D Choke Red Sox :eek:

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Indy, a Yankees fan maybe? :rolleyes:




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yes you are! Don't be bitter now! can't wait to see what Georgie Porgie :mad: does now.

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[QUOTE=CMG]Indy, a Yankees fan maybe? :rolleyes:

Yes I am. And the Sox took it to us big time. I give them all the credit in the world. The Yanks did not execute, swung at the first pitch, showed no patience, won't advance the runner, & everybody swung for the fence :( What happend to Yankee dink ball? You can have all the home runs in the world, gimme dink ball back. The Sox had spunk, better pitching, were more aggressive, and had fun doing it. Congratulations...but you still have to beat the NL :p

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Oops... did anyone happen to see this!? :eek: :D

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Go Sox!!!!!!!

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There is a curse - The Curse of A-ROD.

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Nothing like Rivera blowing 2 saves in a row and leaving 18, thats right EIGHTEEN men on base.. Yanks beat themselves,,, I would have had loften in the game leading off with a bunt against Schilling, and then I would have had Jeter bunt, I would have had him running all over the infield.. Indy, your analysis is dead on,, swiging for the fences, no patience, also Torre made some pretty bad decisions, which is not like him at all...

Trade, the two BUMS Brown and Giambi, get rid of Sierra, Wilson, Quantril, FIRE Stottlemeyer, Sign Beltran, Santana, Soriano, Bring in Billy Connors to straighten out Vasquez and Loaiza, get Karsay healthy.

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What a bunch of poor sports .. Want some cheese with that wine ..
Didnt see a single Spankee come out and congradulate the first team ever to come back from a three game defacit in the post season .. The better team won ! Whats with New yorkers anyway ? :( :(

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P1~

No $hit!! What gives with the Yank-me's!? Joe Torre couldn't say one nice thing in his post game interview about the Sox, and the fact that they did what NO ONE in MLB had done before. He just lamented over his loss, and made up some sorry-ass BS about what happened to his team... If he just fessed up and said, "hey - the better team won..." and gave them a bit of respect - like our guys gave to them - it would have made him and the rest of the team look much better. But instead they'll be remembered this year for:

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I would like to see Roger Clemens against his old team in the World Series. :drink:

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Oh...I'm sorry, I reacted too fast, I just assumed wrong...I'll spell it out for Boston fans this time...

C-H-U-M-P-S :p

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Are you serious?? What is this, the Goodwill Games?

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Chris,

I agree with you. What happened to old school ball?

Derek

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Congradulate this,,, The YANKEES are a FIRST CLASS ACT,, They keep their mouths shut and play ball.... The Red-sux are bottom of the barrel. They are so jealous of the YANKS success, they head hunt, play bean ball, spout off like and act like little kids and start brawls, thier fans cheer when someone gets hit,, cheer even louder when someone almost gets their head taken off, If it weren't for no-class they wouldn't have any at all..

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Just a reminder, for those of you that may have forgot... :D

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Just in case you forgot:

1923, 1927,1928, 1932, 1936, 1937,1938, 1939, 1942, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1977,1978, 1996, 1198, 1999, 2000...


Just in case you forgot:

1999: 94-68, 2nd place in AL East
2000: 85-77, 2nd place in AL East
2001: 82-79, 2nd place in AL East
2002: 93-69, 2nd place in AL East
2003: 95-67, 2nd place in AL East

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Oh,, in case you forgot:

The Curse of the Bambino
The inaugural 140-game season of the American League began on April 24, 1901. Boston's team was given the nickname "Americans" to differentiate them from the cross-town National League "Nationals." The press also dubbed them the Somersets, Plymouth Rocks, Collinsmen, Puritans and Pilgrims. Team owner John I. Taylor decided that, for the 1908 season, they would wear white uniforms with red stockings while playing at home. The name Boston Red Sox was born. Boston was the strongest team in the newly founded league, finishing first in six out of their first eighteen seasons. They appeared in five World Series between 1901 and 1918, winning all five.

In 1914, the Red Sox (now owned by Joe Lannin) purchased the contracts of Ernie Shore, Ben Egan and a young pitcher named George Herman Ruth from the minor-league Baltimore Orioles. Ruth went by the nickname "The Babe" or "The Bambino." He was brought up to Boston's major league team on July 11, 1914. That season, he appeared in four games with a 2-1 record. The Babe had eighteen wins for the Red Sox in 1915, and 23 in 1916. Boston won both years' World Series. Baseball writers anointed Ruth as one of the best lefthanders the game had ever known. On October 9, 1916, he pitched a fourteen inning complete game victory over the Brooklyn Dodgers in game two of the World Series.

In 1917, The Bambino led the league in shutouts (nine) and ERA (1.75), with a 24-13 record. Lannin sold the team to Harry Harrison Frazee at the end of 1917. Rosters were being decimated as players left to fight in World War I. Ruth helped by playing in the field (mostly in left) when he was not pitching. Despite batting in only 95 games, he hit the most home runs in the majors. He was on the mound for game one of the 1918 Fall Classic, where he pitched a complete game shut out to beat the Chicago Cubs 1-0. He would also get the win in game four of that series, helping the Red Sox defeat Chicago four games to two. Boston won three championships in The Babe's first four full seasons with the team.

In 1919, The Red Sox and Ruth could not agree on a contract; the Babe settled for $10000 per year (other top players in the league were earning upwards of $15000). In addition to earning only half of what he felt was appropriate, The Babe no longer wanted to pitch; Boston's new owner Harry Frazee and Ruth were not getting along. Babe Ruth hit a record 29 home runs, more than any other major league team. Prior to the 1920 season, Ruth was sold to Colonel Jacob Ruppert's New York Yankees for $100,000, plus a loan collateralized by Fenway Park. Ruth's .376 batting average, 54 home runs and 137 RBIs generated attendance of 1,289,422 fans in his first year with the Yankees. That was the first time in baseball history that a team's home attendance exceeded one million. This led to the construction of Yankee Stadium, "The House That Ruth Built." On July 12, 1921, Ruth broke Roger Conner's record for career home runs when he swatted his 137th off of St. Louis Browns pitcher Dixie Davis. World Series Championships
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The Yankees continued to share the Polo Grounds with the New York Giants until 1923 (when Yankee Stadium opened). That year, Ruth (batting .393 with 41 home runs) led the Yankees to their first of a record twenty-six World Series Championships. The Babe hit his last three home runs (numbers 712, 713 and 714), while playing for the Boston Braves, in a game against Pittsburgh on May 25, 1935. He retired eight days later. The Bambino ranks among the best ever in dozens of pitching and hitting records. He was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, on February 2, 1936, as one of the five charter members. The other four were Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, and Honus Wagner.

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The Yankees continued to share the Polo Grounds with the New York Giants until 1923 (when Yankee Stadium opened). That year, Ruth (batting .393 with 41 home runs) led the Yankees to their first of a record twenty-six World Series Championships. The Babe hit his last three home runs (numbers 712, 713 and 714), while playing for the Boston Braves, in a game against Pittsburgh on May 25, 1935. He retired eight days later. The Bambino ranks among the best ever in dozens of pitching and hitting records. He was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, on February 2, 1936, as one of the five charter members. The other four were Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, and Honus Wagner.

Boston has appeared in only four World Series since 1918, losing each one in seven games. In 1946, they tied game seven in the top of the eighth against the Cardinals, but gave up the winning run in the bottom of the inning. Boston had a 3-0 lead in game seven of the 1975 Series, but ended up losing by one run to the Reds. They were one strike away from winning the 1986 Series four times in game six. The Red Sox then had a 3-0 lead going into the sixth inning of game seven, but gave up eight runs in the final three innings to lose the game. The Sox carried a three-run lead into the bottom of the eighth of game seven of the 2003 ALCS. They allowed New York to score three runs to tie the game. Then, the Yankees won on Aaron Boone's home run in the eleventh inning. The Red Sox lost by five runs to Cleveland in the 1948 American League tiebreaker. Thirty years later, Boston had a 2-0 lead until New York's Bucky Dent hit his infamous home run over the Fenway scoreboard in the seventh inning of the AL East tiebreaker. In 1949, they needed to win one of their two final games to win the American League (both against New York). They blew a 4-0 lead in the first game, and lost the second by a score of 5-3. Many consider Boston's performance after the departure of Babe Ruth to be attributable to "The Curse of the Bambino."

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Wow Chris, you have a lot of time on your hands... :) and an amazing wealth of sports knowledge at your disposal. Not to mention some serious pent-up emotions over the Yankees loosing the pennant - yikes! ;)

Unwind, and have a beer or two... you're gonna bust a gasket. :p :drink:

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