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Formula Outlaw 12-08-2004 09:22 PM

Re: Now I'm mad.
 

Originally Posted by epeek
Secularist's's. Don't like anything to do with Christianity because it doesn't
fit their master plan. It's mainly a liberal agenda. To bad our government
is allowing the minority to dictate what we can and can't say or do. Hell,
Bloomberg calls the N.Y.C. Christmas tree "A holiday tree". What a load of
crap. Candyass politicians sucking up for the all mighty vote." Don't want
to offend anyone." I might not get their vote." I think its gonna backfire
on them. Americans still have values. Middle America is gonna tell them
to kiss MY A$$. O' Yea,their also gonna say screw you Democrats and your
redistribution of wealth $hit you've been spewing for years. Let the lowlifes
work for their money like everyone else. I think most of this country isn't
looking for the lefty handouts. If you worked for it,earned it,you should be
able to keep some of it..........Whew, I'm exhausted.........

Right on Epeek.

CBlakeNS 12-08-2004 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithIt
I'm with you. live and let live. Dont tell me how to live and I wont tell you how to live.

Yeah its rediculis the things that some people do these days.


Good quote!! "Live and let live." I like that.

RollWithIt 12-08-2004 09:31 PM

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There are too many people, right and left, who have nothing better to do than but into everybody elses business and tell us how to live. I'm not you, dont want to be, thats what makes this country so great. I think all these people who want to change society to be more "politically correct" need to get a life and stop worrying about us.

BK 12-08-2004 09:40 PM

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I think the word is "showing respect for those who are different". Unfortunately, many folks don't know what that word means anymore or understand how much good showing a little respect can do. Instead, they've adopted different values..."ME" values.

My kids are in Boy Scouts where you'd think "respect" would be on the top of the list. It used to be, but not anymore. Now Boy Scouts is all about winning and self interests: ie who sells the most popcorn and gets the biggest prize, who wins the pinewood derby, who wins the fishing contest, how many badges on your uniform. No more helping elderly ladies - that's out of style.

BUT they don't feel they've lost values because they say the whole pledge including the "under God" part and that is all the "values" that they need. Just sad.

later 12-08-2004 09:41 PM

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it's a shame that our country doesnt have the same dedication to beliefs, as the rest of the world. otherwise we would say go back to the country that you came from and dont change ours

Later
dave hughes

epeek 12-08-2004 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonas
amen god bless and merry x mas!!!
thats well said!!!

Thats merry Christmas!!! Thanks,same to you and LONG LIVE REGGIE FOUNTAIN!!! :D

hugetime1 12-08-2004 09:50 PM

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come on there has to be some left wingers here to make things intresting, it is no fun debating this stuff when we are all on the same side

BK 12-08-2004 09:54 PM

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Its funny because "forcing change" is part of the reason the radical muslims hated Saddam so much. Saddam would not allow relgious persecution, and that's why 300,000 Christians could worship in Baghdad and run liquor stores, against the wishes of the fundamentalists. The radicals wanted their country run under strict muslim law. Period. They wanted the leader to be a cleric, not a secular infidel like Saddam who drank and wore military uniforms instead of traditional muslim garments.

By taking out Saddam, it is the Iraqi Christians who we have hurt the most, because the radicals are able to force them to live under strict muslim traditions now - like they must do in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kuwait. They hold tight to what they know - they don't want any part of those "strange" religions. I guess it's the same everywhere.

epeek 12-08-2004 09:54 PM

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Most leftys are busy waiting for someone to hand them money. Most people
who have performence boats made it the old fashioned way. THEY EARNED IT!

hugetime1 12-08-2004 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BK
Its funny because "forcing change" is part of the reason the radical muslims hated Saddam so much. Saddam would not allow relgious persecution, and that's why 300,000 Christians could worship in Baghdad and run liquor stores, against the wishes of the fundamentalists. The radicals wanted their country run under strict muslim law. Period. They wanted the leader to be a cleric, not a secular infidel like Saddam who drank and wore military uniforms instead of traditional muslim garments.

By taking out Saddam, it is the Iraqi Christians who we have hurt the most, because the radicals are able to force them to live under strict muslim traditions now - like they must do in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kuwait.

speaking of this back in 1990 my dad was in saudi saving the kawaites azzes and there was a big controversy about women under his command driving vehicles on the flight line because the kuwatie gov't did want women driving in there country. and the higher ups were actually thinking of going along with this, but the soilders were so up in arms about it that the us gov't had no choice but to stand up to the kawaties in defence of our women. it is appauling to me that we even thought about going along with this train of thought.

epeek 12-08-2004 10:10 PM

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[QUOTE=BK]Its funny because "forcing change" is part of the reason the radical muslims hated Saddam so much. Saddam would not allow relgious persecution, and that's why 300,000 Christians could worship in Baghdad and run liquor stores, against the wishes of the fundamentalists. The radicals wanted their country run under strict muslim law. Period. They wanted the leader to be a cleric, not a secular infidel like Saddam who drank and wore military uniforms instead of traditional muslim garments.

By taking out Saddam, it is the Iraqi Christians who we have hurt the most, because the radicals are able to force them to live under strict muslim traditions now - like they must do in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kuwait.[/QUOTE


Whats your point? Maybe the Christians were better off ( I could debate that)
but how would you like to be a Kurd under Saddams rule? Or a opponant of
Saddams Bath party? Or how about Joe Blow living in the filthy conditions
that the Iraquis call everyday life. Odviously Saddams rule didn't create a thriving
economy or a lifestyle that anyone would call "free". I just can't see anything about
Saddam or his rule that was good or could even come close to paralleling anything
thats happening here.

Offshoreracr 12-08-2004 10:30 PM

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Is this how communism started? The few ruling the many!

RollWithIt 12-08-2004 10:31 PM

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Ok, so you want somebody to play "devil's advocate" to stir things up a bit. Let me ask this then. Why is it that all of these "left wing" ideas are getting passed and enforced when so many right wing conservatives keep getting elected into the political offices. Is it really that there is such an epidemic attact on the afformentioned morals and values in this country or are the "conservatives" crying foul/ throwing a tantrum everytime something comes up that is contrary to their belief's?? Logic would tell you that these laws and court rulings should not be hapening since most of the politicians and judges are "conservative" republicans and not left wing "liberals". Just playing devils advocate here.
:evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

RollWithIt 12-08-2004 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Offshoreracr
Is this how communism started? The few ruling the many!

This is more an example of a Dictatorship. Communism was government for the people, the little people, so that they had equality with the rich and everybody else.

Wasabe 12-08-2004 10:35 PM

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:eek:

Edward R. Cozzi 12-08-2004 10:40 PM

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What is going on in this country?
The homeowners association where I live has an annual parade that they call the"Holly Day" parade! Not only don't they call it what it is: " A CHRISTMAS PARADE", but they don't even use the word "Holiday" !!
This is crap!

Cash Bar 12-08-2004 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RollWithIt
Ok, so you want somebody to play "devil's advocate" to stir things up a bit. Let me ask this then. Why is it that all of these "left wing" ideas are getting passed and enforced when so many right wing conservatives keep getting elected into the political offices. Is it really that there is such an epidemic attact on the afformentioned morals and values in this country or are the "conservatives" crying foul/ throwing a tantrum everytime something comes up that is contrary to their belief's?? Logic would tell you that these laws and court rulings should not be hapening since most of the politicians and judges are "conservative" republicans and not left wing "liberals". Just playing devils advocate here.
:evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:


Jason, I believe this has more to do with liberal JUDGES that have been in place for years if not decades. These judges(most of 'em) were installed during CLINTON'S years. The elected ones are usually promoted lawyers(read: ACLU FANS) that bought enough publicity to get the chair.

My .02.

RollWithIt 12-08-2004 10:49 PM

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That may be. I know once a judge gets in, getting them out is like removing cancer. Dont really keep up on the local or state judges, but I dont think any of the Supreme court judges have been replaced in the last 10 or so years. Dont quote me on that though. Could be wrong. And you are right about the Promoted ones.

Wasabe 12-08-2004 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Offshoreracr
Is this how communism started? The few ruling the many!

Hmm. I think your on to something.

http://www.allabouthow.com/communism.htm

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/co.../communism.gif

Communism - Marxism & The Communist Manifesto
Communism, which is also described as "Revolutionary Proletarian Socialism" or "Marxism," is both a political and economic philosophy. The abridgment of Communism is enclosed in two primary writings: (1) The Communist Manifesto, which was first published in 1848 by Karl Marx, and (2) Principles of Communism, by Friedrich Engels. At the request of the Communist League, an activist group they were members of, Marx and Engels together authored The Communist Manifesto. The main goal of The Communist Manifesto was to focus on class struggle and motivate the common people to riot. Even more so, it was designed to envision a model government, whose economics would destroy the upper class - freeing the lower class from tyranny. According to The Communist Manifesto, Communism has ten essential planks:

1. Abolition of Private Property.
2. Heavy Progressive Income Tax.
3. Abolition of Rights of Inheritance.
4. Confiscation of Property Rights.
5. Central Bank.
6. Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation.
7. Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture.
8. Government Control of Labor.
9. Corporate Farms and Regional Planning.
10. Government Control of Education.

Fundamentally, The Communist Manifesto was a rebellion against the extreme poverty of the lower class.

Communism - Atheism and Amorality
Communism doesn't end with economic and political reform. By definition, it further demands the abolition of both Religion and the Absolute Morality founded upon Religion. The irony is that Communism supposedly attempts to enhance civility within society, but removes all notions of Absolute Morality, the very cornerstone of civility. Furthermore, after Communism is instituted by the people, the system becomes Totalitarian, resulting in greater oppression of the people it was designed to "serve." This fact is well documented throughout the history of Communist nations.

Communism - Foundation in Czarism
Communism, though distinctive, is thought by some to have been heavily influenced by Czarism, a Totalitarian regime replaced by Communism after Russia's 1917 Revolution. While most of Europe's history has been symbolized by the rule of limited centers of power, Russia resisted Europe's movement to limit monarchical power. Legal historian Harold Berman writes regarding historical European political policy, "It also has been, or once was, a source of freedom. A serf might run to the town court for protection against his master. A vassal might run to the king's court for protection against his lord. A cleric might run to the ecclesiastical court for protection against the king." (Law and Revolution). Russians under Czarist rule had no such protection from the wiles of an unjust Czar. And so it is for Communists. Under Communism, the government is absolute. Under Stalin, perhaps the most notorious Communist, around 40 million Russian citizens were murdered for "the good of the state."

Communism - The Practical Results
The practical results of Communism have been horror and atrocity for those under communist rule. So much so, advocates of Marxism have made every attempt to point out where communist leaders have strayed from the fundamental teachings of Karl Marx, in an attempt to absolve Communism. Nevertheless, it cannot be denied that Marxist influence brought about many of these horrors. The irony is, Marxism renounces religion, not because of religious doctrine, but because of the actions of "religious" men. No one could accuse a religion such as Christianity of evil doctrine. However, it seems that men are intrinsically evil and need only an opportunity to express this inherent reality. One must look at the overall outcome of a philosophical doctrine on society, both good and bad, not specific instances of abuse. Christianity, for example, has been used by wicked men to do much evil, but its underlying doctrine has been the cause of much good in the world. Communism, on the other hand, has brought only atrocity into the world. Communism has not brought relief to the majority as promised, nor has it ended oppression as purposed. Communism has only served to remove Morality from the masses -- a dangerous and costly experiment.

mopower 12-08-2004 11:03 PM

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I'm with you Wasabe. I'm offended because I can't offend someone else. Guess what? I celebrate CHRISTMAS. If someone wishes me Happy Holidays , I wish them a Merry Christmas back...phuque 'um if the don't like it. It's given in the spirit of the season...they came make it fit theirs own.
I'm sick and tired of this "politically correct " society...I'm having MY rights enfringed upon more and more everyday and nobody worrys about me(except you great bunch of people)

So let me say....


MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL :D





Besides , Santa Claus already got me my Innovate Air/fuel ratio meter for Christmas ;)

Offshoreracr 12-08-2004 11:03 PM

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It stills boils down to the few haveing to please the many. The lawyers are the only ones are able to profit from all of it. Just my .02.

bajabob38 12-08-2004 11:05 PM

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Look on the bright side, Catman is Happy

mopower 12-08-2004 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Offshoreracr
It stills boils down to the few haveing to please the many. The lawyers are the only ones are able to profit from all of it. Just my .02.

Don't you mean " the many having to please the few"?????

HOUSTONPROP 12-08-2004 11:15 PM

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Merry Christmas to all, dot heads grind the dot off and go real deep in to your Brain if you have one..

what's this world coming to?It will not be DOT Head's :mad:

Offshoreracr 12-08-2004 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mopower
Don't you mean " the many having to please the few"?????

Thanks for the correction. It's a little late and the bulb is getting dim.

mopower 12-09-2004 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Offshoreracr
Thanks for the correction. It's a little late and the bulb is getting dim.

:D :D :D It's early for me. I just got up and came to work...11p to 7a :eek:

fountain1fan 12-09-2004 02:31 AM

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if you doint like god or christmas GET THE F%z%%%K OUT OF THE USA . i thank we still say one nation UNDER GOD in the USA

fountain1fan 12-09-2004 02:33 AM

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amen mo power

BK 12-09-2004 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BK
www.anysoldier.com gives addresses of "contact soldiers" who will make sure a serviceman or servicewoman who is down in the dumps and needs a morale boost gets your package or letter. "GIVING" always feels so much better than "TAKING", no matter who you are.
www.anysoldier.com

Great site. Thanks for the link!

And it's always so nice to see so many people in the true HOLIDAY SPIRIT! :)

Neverfastenuf 12-09-2004 02:54 PM

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Yep, Denver. Turning into a Metro Boulder. There are sooooooo many left wing extremist in Boulder they are now infringing on the populous of Denver. It is really sad. Luckily they are being forced to resend some of their actions and views at the moment. It seems as though a "few" of the moral majority, IE. the normal folks are being as vocal as the extremists. Funny what happens when you awaken a sleeping giant. Look at the Presidential election. I guess the average American is tired of taking it laying down.


Sam

my32dominator 12-09-2004 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hugetime1
. weather you are religous or not just enjoy the holliday and the extra time off, there is nothing wrong with it. but if you don't want anything to do with christmas don't try to phuck it up for me cuz i'll kick your azz you non american prick

I agree! :evilb: :mad:

Interceptor 12-09-2004 03:28 PM

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I was thinking of becoming a black muslim. I could start celebrating at Ramadan and carry on through Kwanza !

Woo-Hoo,
Happy Holidays,
ed


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