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Old 12-08-2004, 11:10 PM
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[QUOTE=BK]Its funny because "forcing change" is part of the reason the radical muslims hated Saddam so much. Saddam would not allow relgious persecution, and that's why 300,000 Christians could worship in Baghdad and run liquor stores, against the wishes of the fundamentalists. The radicals wanted their country run under strict muslim law. Period. They wanted the leader to be a cleric, not a secular infidel like Saddam who drank and wore military uniforms instead of traditional muslim garments.

By taking out Saddam, it is the Iraqi Christians who we have hurt the most, because the radicals are able to force them to live under strict muslim traditions now - like they must do in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Kuwait.[/QUOTE


Whats your point? Maybe the Christians were better off ( I could debate that)
but how would you like to be a Kurd under Saddams rule? Or a opponant of
Saddams Bath party? Or how about Joe Blow living in the filthy conditions
that the Iraquis call everyday life. Odviously Saddams rule didn't create a thriving
economy or a lifestyle that anyone would call "free". I just can't see anything about
Saddam or his rule that was good or could even come close to paralleling anything
thats happening here.
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Is this how communism started? The few ruling the many!
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Ok, so you want somebody to play "devil's advocate" to stir things up a bit. Let me ask this then. Why is it that all of these "left wing" ideas are getting passed and enforced when so many right wing conservatives keep getting elected into the political offices. Is it really that there is such an epidemic attact on the afformentioned morals and values in this country or are the "conservatives" crying foul/ throwing a tantrum everytime something comes up that is contrary to their belief's?? Logic would tell you that these laws and court rulings should not be hapening since most of the politicians and judges are "conservative" republicans and not left wing "liberals". Just playing devils advocate here.
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Is this how communism started? The few ruling the many!
This is more an example of a Dictatorship. Communism was government for the people, the little people, so that they had equality with the rich and everybody else.
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Old 12-08-2004, 11:35 PM
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What is going on in this country?
The homeowners association where I live has an annual parade that they call the"Holly Day" parade! Not only don't they call it what it is: " A CHRISTMAS PARADE", but they don't even use the word "Holiday" !!
This is crap!
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Ok, so you want somebody to play "devil's advocate" to stir things up a bit. Let me ask this then. Why is it that all of these "left wing" ideas are getting passed and enforced when so many right wing conservatives keep getting elected into the political offices. Is it really that there is such an epidemic attact on the afformentioned morals and values in this country or are the "conservatives" crying foul/ throwing a tantrum everytime something comes up that is contrary to their belief's?? Logic would tell you that these laws and court rulings should not be hapening since most of the politicians and judges are "conservative" republicans and not left wing "liberals". Just playing devils advocate here.

Jason, I believe this has more to do with liberal JUDGES that have been in place for years if not decades. These judges(most of 'em) were installed during CLINTON'S years. The elected ones are usually promoted lawyers(read: ACLU FANS) that bought enough publicity to get the chair.

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That may be. I know once a judge gets in, getting them out is like removing cancer. Dont really keep up on the local or state judges, but I dont think any of the Supreme court judges have been replaced in the last 10 or so years. Dont quote me on that though. Could be wrong. And you are right about the Promoted ones.
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Is this how communism started? The few ruling the many!
Hmm. I think your on to something.

http://www.allabouthow.com/communism.htm



Communism - Marxism & The Communist Manifesto
Communism, which is also described as "Revolutionary Proletarian Socialism" or "Marxism," is both a political and economic philosophy. The abridgment of Communism is enclosed in two primary writings: (1) The Communist Manifesto, which was first published in 1848 by Karl Marx, and (2) Principles of Communism, by Friedrich Engels. At the request of the Communist League, an activist group they were members of, Marx and Engels together authored The Communist Manifesto. The main goal of The Communist Manifesto was to focus on class struggle and motivate the common people to riot. Even more so, it was designed to envision a model government, whose economics would destroy the upper class - freeing the lower class from tyranny. According to The Communist Manifesto, Communism has ten essential planks:

1. Abolition of Private Property.
2. Heavy Progressive Income Tax.
3. Abolition of Rights of Inheritance.
4. Confiscation of Property Rights.
5. Central Bank.
6. Government Ownership of Communication and Transportation.
7. Government Ownership of Factories and Agriculture.
8. Government Control of Labor.
9. Corporate Farms and Regional Planning.
10. Government Control of Education.

Fundamentally, The Communist Manifesto was a rebellion against the extreme poverty of the lower class.

Communism - Atheism and Amorality
Communism doesn't end with economic and political reform. By definition, it further demands the abolition of both Religion and the Absolute Morality founded upon Religion. The irony is that Communism supposedly attempts to enhance civility within society, but removes all notions of Absolute Morality, the very cornerstone of civility. Furthermore, after Communism is instituted by the people, the system becomes Totalitarian, resulting in greater oppression of the people it was designed to "serve." This fact is well documented throughout the history of Communist nations.

Communism - Foundation in Czarism
Communism, though distinctive, is thought by some to have been heavily influenced by Czarism, a Totalitarian regime replaced by Communism after Russia's 1917 Revolution. While most of Europe's history has been symbolized by the rule of limited centers of power, Russia resisted Europe's movement to limit monarchical power. Legal historian Harold Berman writes regarding historical European political policy, "It also has been, or once was, a source of freedom. A serf might run to the town court for protection against his master. A vassal might run to the king's court for protection against his lord. A cleric might run to the ecclesiastical court for protection against the king." (Law and Revolution). Russians under Czarist rule had no such protection from the wiles of an unjust Czar. And so it is for Communists. Under Communism, the government is absolute. Under Stalin, perhaps the most notorious Communist, around 40 million Russian citizens were murdered for "the good of the state."

Communism - The Practical Results
The practical results of Communism have been horror and atrocity for those under communist rule. So much so, advocates of Marxism have made every attempt to point out where communist leaders have strayed from the fundamental teachings of Karl Marx, in an attempt to absolve Communism. Nevertheless, it cannot be denied that Marxist influence brought about many of these horrors. The irony is, Marxism renounces religion, not because of religious doctrine, but because of the actions of "religious" men. No one could accuse a religion such as Christianity of evil doctrine. However, it seems that men are intrinsically evil and need only an opportunity to express this inherent reality. One must look at the overall outcome of a philosophical doctrine on society, both good and bad, not specific instances of abuse. Christianity, for example, has been used by wicked men to do much evil, but its underlying doctrine has been the cause of much good in the world. Communism, on the other hand, has brought only atrocity into the world. Communism has not brought relief to the majority as promised, nor has it ended oppression as purposed. Communism has only served to remove Morality from the masses -- a dangerous and costly experiment.
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I'm with you Wasabe. I'm offended because I can't offend someone else. Guess what? I celebrate CHRISTMAS. If someone wishes me Happy Holidays , I wish them a Merry Christmas back...phuque 'um if the don't like it. It's given in the spirit of the season...they came make it fit theirs own.
I'm sick and tired of this "politically correct " society...I'm having MY rights enfringed upon more and more everyday and nobody worrys about me(except you great bunch of people)

So let me say....


MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL





Besides , Santa Claus already got me my Innovate Air/fuel ratio meter for Christmas

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