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cstraub 02-09-2006 11:09 AM

Re: Project complete
 
It's all in the Oil Pan....

nordic95 02-09-2006 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cstraub
It's all in the Oil Pan....

The sticker on the pan says it all.

RumRunner 02-09-2006 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nordic95
Hey guys on this subject of dynoes and real uncorrected power,look at this article.I have been a Pontiac guru since 1987,building and running Pontiac motors in my 1968 Firebird at street nights at our local drag strips.Never would I have guessed that technology would bring one of these dinosaurs to this level on pump gas.And for the younger generations reading this,Yes Pontiac did manufacture there own engines before corporate world took over and started putting Chevy based engines in the Pontiac chassis.I think us OSOers should request the uncorreted power numbers,there could be a 111% correction going on here. :D :D :D
P.s. This artical just came in the mail today.
Nordic95

Nordic,

I can attest to the fact that the numbers Jon got on this motor are 100% real. He spent more time in R&D on that engine than most people spend building 25 or 30 engines. There was a ton of work on the valve locations, angle, combustion chambers, fuel deliver etc. Aside from being one of the best engine builders in the country Jon would spend 3 to 4 hours a night 5 or 6 days a week working on this project for over 6 months. For him it was therapeutic, since this engine is so different than what he normally builds.

RumRunner 02-09-2006 11:42 AM

Re: Project complete
 

Originally Posted by cstraub
It's all in the Oil Pan....



Hey, Hey, Hey, I thought its what's on top that counts :D

cstraub 02-09-2006 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RumRunner
Hey, Hey, Hey, I thought its what's on top that counts :D

You carb guys are all alike. . .since you "bring in the air" you want all the credit!!!!!!!

RumRunner 02-09-2006 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cstraub
You carb guys are all alike. . .since you "bring in the air" you want all the credit!!!!!!!


Ofcourse! That's better than just holding up all the spare parts :D This years contest should be fun. Looks like there will be more than one engine out of Jon's shop.

nordic95 02-09-2006 12:21 PM

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Rum Runner,

I was kind of poking fun at some of the people here on this forum that high horse power can be achieved with pump gas.I highly commend Jon for his efforts,not only for those numbers,but that he chose to run a Pontiac to do it.Just goes to show that with todays technology in heads,cam,and intake design you can make great power and still pull up to the pump.It sounds like you know Jon personally,let him know I will gladly use his engine for R&D purposes in one of my cars as a favor to him of course.

Nordic95

RumRunner 02-09-2006 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nordic95
Rum Runner,

I was kind of poking fun at some of the people here on this forum that high horse power can be achieved with pump gas.I highly commend Jon for his efforts,not only for those numbers,but that he chose to run a Pontiac to do it.Just goes to show that with todays technology in heads,cam,and intake design you can make great power and still pull up to the pump.It sounds like you know Jon personally,let him know I will gladly use his engine for R&D purposes in one of my cars as a favor to him of course.

Nordic95

Nordic,

I understand totally. That engine is really borderline on being able to run on pump gas. The EMC should be called the contest of supressing detonation. Not sure what they were going to do with that engine I think it was going into a car that was being sold. I kind of laugh when you get a Ford guy build a bad ass Pontiac.

cstraub 02-09-2006 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RumRunner
Nordic,

I understand totally. That engine is really borderline on being able to run on pump gas. The EMC should be called the contest of supressing detonation. Not sure what they were going to do with that engine I think it was going into a car that was being sold. I kind of laugh when you get a Ford guy build a bad ass Pontiac.

. . .and I agree with Doug. These engines at best description are "experiments" and not for use in street cars. As Doug pointed out the hours Kaase had in this engine if you had to pay for any of the top 10 performers these mills would cost you $150K plus.

What is noteable about what you posted is the correction factor. I looked and could not find a rule stating what they would use in the testing at Bill Mitchells place. Now being located on Long Island, I can't see the dyno's being over 100ft about sea level so I wonder if the magazine has a mis-print and the correction is 1.01.

Doug do you know? And hey carb guy, we (the parts catching people) were on the 1st through 4th. . . .what about you?? :D

Mike Paula 02-09-2006 02:24 PM

Re: Project complete
 
1 carb
pump gas.
555in 1050hp
http://hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000_1_ch_s.jpg
I know Dave Ebbert personally and watch this motor push a 21' motorhome size Daytona through the traps at Ming at 120's in about 8.0 sec. then did ski duty during the week.
http://hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000_graph_x_z.jpg

Link to the write up in hot rod
http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000/index.html

cstraub 02-09-2006 02:42 PM

Re: Project complete
 

Originally Posted by Mike Paula
1 carb
pump gas.
555in 1050hp
http://hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000_1_ch_s.jpg
I know Dave Ebbert personally and watch this motor push a 21' motorhome size Daytona through the traps at Ming at 120's in about 8.0 sec. then did ski duty during the week.
http://hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000_graph_x_z.jpg

Link to the write up in hot rod
http://www.hotrod.com/howto/113_0206_1000/index.html

Note the oil pan used.. . . seems to be a pattern forming here. Seriously, I dont' handle Dave's account but he can make HP there is no doubt.

nordic95 02-09-2006 03:23 PM

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I see it,need to get me two of those pans.


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