Stroking an HP500 to a 540.
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Originally Posted by Griff
It looks like all your previous upgrades are matched toward a mild upgrade of the hp500. Stroking it to a 540 will require changing most of the same stuff you did already to achieve maximum benefits from the ci increase.
You said you replaced the heads.....with what heads???????They may work well or may not depending on what you have.
The 731 is only a slight increase over stock. You will need more cam for a 540. Also, I highly doubt you have solid roller lifters with that cam. No reason to go with a solid roller unless you want to spin more than 5800rpms or so. Plenty of hyd rollers will make plenty of HP. There is also no reason to replace the stock carbs on your current set up.
Personally, I would look into supercharging before stroking it. A lot more HP to be gained vs the $$$ spent.
You said you replaced the heads.....with what heads???????They may work well or may not depending on what you have.
The 731 is only a slight increase over stock. You will need more cam for a 540. Also, I highly doubt you have solid roller lifters with that cam. No reason to go with a solid roller unless you want to spin more than 5800rpms or so. Plenty of hyd rollers will make plenty of HP. There is also no reason to replace the stock carbs on your current set up.
Personally, I would look into supercharging before stroking it. A lot more HP to be gained vs the $$$ spent.
I don't have a ton to spend, (maybe $7000-10000) for both and I really don't want to move above pump gas. I'd just like to see mid to upper 70's, with rock solid realibility.
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Why do you need new cam bearings??????? and how do you know the cams are not damaged as well?????? Used cams are not an easy sale. Not worth the risk to most people.
You could run a pair of 250 SC's at low boost(4#) on pump fuel and still be very reliable. Talk to Nickerson about your carbs either way you go. They can be flowed for more CFM's and rebuilt right. Probably have to go with Dominators if you go the SC route.
You could run a pair of 250 SC's at low boost(4#) on pump fuel and still be very reliable. Talk to Nickerson about your carbs either way you go. They can be flowed for more CFM's and rebuilt right. Probably have to go with Dominators if you go the SC route.
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Originally Posted by Griff
Why do you need new cam bearings??????? and how do you know the cams are not damaged as well?????? Used cams are not an easy sale. Not worth the risk to most people.
You could run a pair of 250 SC's at low boost(4#) on pump fuel and still be very reliable. Talk to Nickerson about your carbs either way you go. They can be flowed for more CFM's and rebuilt right. Probably have to go with Dominators if you go the SC route.
You could run a pair of 250 SC's at low boost(4#) on pump fuel and still be very reliable. Talk to Nickerson about your carbs either way you go. They can be flowed for more CFM's and rebuilt right. Probably have to go with Dominators if you go the SC route.
Not really thinking about supercharging. I just want to be able to push about 600-700HP with realiable motors. Start & Go. I spent most of this year laying in the damn engine compartment instead of enjoying it with my family.
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Since you are rebuilding already, the only items that are going to increase your cost are a new crank, longer rods and clearencing the block. If you are on a strict budget, Eagle stuff works well but needs to be checked carefully. The 731 cam is too small for this build.It's smaller than a 500 EFI cam. A 741 would be the minimum cam I would use. If you don't mind a lumpy exhaust a 651 would be best and make a lot of power. Both of these will probably revert with a stock exhaust. If you have Gil or CMI exhaust, a set of dry tailpipes would take care of that problem.
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I just reread 20 hrs since last rebuild.
Don't go back to the same guy unless he's doing it for free. It's probably more than just the cam bearings if you have flakes in the oil. No reason a 500 or 540 can't be reliable if the guy putting it together does a good job.
Don't go back to the same guy unless he's doing it for free. It's probably more than just the cam bearings if you have flakes in the oil. No reason a 500 or 540 can't be reliable if the guy putting it together does a good job.
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Originally Posted by BADKACHINA
Whipple's hp500 set up isn't cheap either. You probably would gain more hp for the buck but what kind of reliability would you have? You would end up going through the motor anyways in shorter period of time. Your clearances, comp ratio and cam aren't set up for a blower. Just my .02 but build it strong first and if you want to put a blower on it, set it up that way from the get go.
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Originally Posted by PatriYacht
I just reread 20 hrs since last rebuild.
Don't go back to the same guy unless he's doing it for free. It's probably more than just the cam bearings if you have flakes in the oil. No reason a 500 or 540 can't be reliable if the guy putting it together does a good job.
Don't go back to the same guy unless he's doing it for free. It's probably more than just the cam bearings if you have flakes in the oil. No reason a 500 or 540 can't be reliable if the guy putting it together does a good job.
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Originally Posted by berns29scarab
sounds like a job for JC Perf !!!
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
The heads are the Dart Iron Eagles, Intk: 308cc / Cham.: 119cc / Int/Exh: 2.25/1.88. You are correct I am not running a solid roller. I don't have a ton to spend, (maybe $7000-10000) for both and I really don't want to move above pump gas.
Here's some added stuff that should be mentioned. Supercharging vs. stroking---it can be difficult to decide what you want to do with all the options that are available. Superchargers = more wear/tear and maintenace. There's reliabillity in cubic inches and there is great power in supercharging. It comes down to what YOU are willing to spend and sacrifice.
Either way you go, power upgrades usually require a domino effect with components and it could cost you more than what you were originally planning and if you try to "cheap out" too much by cutting too many corners without doing the project the right way the first time then you will ultimately loose. With a budget of only $7,000-$10,000, you will spend roughly half of that with 4.25" cranks, pistons/pins, and 6.385" rods. Cams, lifters, rings, bearings, gaskets, etc, are all extra on top of that. Then you have the labor of all the machine work, and professional assembly, and even head porting, and dynoing. It can all add up quick!
Do yourself a favor and take your engines to someone who KNOWS what the heck they're doing with the budget you have---someone who has an awesome reputation/track record with marine engines and knows what it takes to make them survive. Someone in your area if you can.
I don't know how much you really know---just trying to give you some awareness. Do lots of research and watch out for the wolves in sheep's clothing!




