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Old 12-27-2006 | 08:17 AM
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I have used Merc, RP, and Alisyn. Gear wear seems the same with all three, but the boat is faster with the synthetics.
I am using Alisyn engine oil too.
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Which weight/Type Alisyn do you use in your gear case?
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Old 12-27-2006 | 09:59 AM
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Which weight/Type Alisyn do you use in your gear case?
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I just checked my oil, and my mechanic recently switched me over to AMSOIL, another good synthetic. I am using their 80W90 gear oil. Athough they rate the viscosity at 80/90, when you move the container, it acts more like a 20/30W oil.
I think they've probably (Timken) bearing tested it to what a petroleum based 80/90W oil would do, but managed to do it at a lower (true?) viscosity, reducing heat and friction in the drive. Just my theory, I'm not a chemist. All I know is it works!
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Old 12-27-2006 | 11:49 AM
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Rage,
I just checked my oil, and my mechanic recently switched me over to AMSOIL, another good synthetic. I am using their 80W90 gear oil. Athough they rate the viscosity at 80/90, when you move the container, it acts more like a 20/30W oil.
I think they've probably (Timken) bearing tested it to what a petroleum based 80/90W oil would do, but managed to do it at a lower (true?) viscosity, reducing heat and friction in the drive. Just my theory, I'm not a chemist. All I know is it works!
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ps great web site www.amsoil.com
You say you just checked your oil which i assume to mean the Amsoil 80/90W and the wear/magnet debris was low like the Alisyn gear lube?

Which Amsoil do you use in you motor? Change interval?

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Old 12-27-2006 | 05:06 PM
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Have you tried the cryogenic gear treatment for wear?
I have succesfully used and offer a correct cryo treatment followed by proper surface treatment/polishing process that greatly extends the life of these gears. My lower gears were junk after 10-20 hours of casual use and 15-20 wot passes before, with this new treatment I ran them twice as long and 35 plus equally hard passes and they still look like new with virtually no wear. Next season I am going to experiment with thinner gear oil and see how long they actually last before failure. My boat is a good test bed for them with 950 plus ft lbs of tq,Smitty
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Old 12-27-2006 | 05:29 PM
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You say you just checked your oil which i assume to mean the Amsoil 80/90W and the wear/magnet debris was low like the Alisyn gear lube?

Which Amsoil do you use in you motor? Change interval?

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Bill:
I'm using Amsoil 20W50 synthetic in the motor now. I have also used RP 20W50 this past season with good results.
I change all my fluids (drive/engine/supercharger) and oil filter @ 25 hrs.
Checking my oil meant the extra oil I keep in the garage !
The motor comes out tomorrow for the winter buildup.
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Old 12-27-2006 | 05:31 PM
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I have succesfully used and offer a correct cryo treatment followed by proper surface treatment/polishing process that greatly extends the life of these gears. My lower gears were junk after 10-20 hours of casual use and 15-20 wot passes before, with this new treatment I ran them twice as long and 35 plus equally hard passes and they still look like new with virtually no wear. Next season I am going to experiment with thinner gear oil and see how long they actually last before failure. My boat is a good test bed for them with 950 plus ft lbs of tq,Smitty
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Looks good. We may be talking soon.
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Old 12-28-2006 | 09:06 AM
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Bill:
I'm using Amsoil 20W50 synthetic in the motor now. I have also used RP 20W50 this past season with good results.
I change all my fluids (drive/engine/supercharger) and oil filter @ 25 hrs.
Checking my oil meant the extra oil I keep in the garage !
The motor comes out tomorrow for the winter buildup.
Steve
Do you perform oil analysis when you change oil?

Is PR Redline oil?

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Old 12-28-2006 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Zuckerman
Bill:
I'm using Amsoil 20W50 synthetic in the motor now. I have also used RP 20W50 this past season with good results.
I change all my fluids (drive/engine/supercharger) and oil filter @ 25 hrs.
Checking my oil meant the extra oil I keep in the garage !
The motor comes out tomorrow for the winter buildup.
Steve
Steve,

Which of the Amsoil 20W50 oils did you use?
TRO Series 2000 Racing Oil
MCW Motorcycle Oil
AMO High Performance Oil
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Bill:
I'm using Amsoil 20W50 synthetic in the motor now. I have also used RP 20W50 this past season with good results.
I change all my fluids (drive/engine/supercharger) and oil filter @ 25 hrs.
Checking my oil meant the extra oil I keep in the garage !
The motor comes out tomorrow for the winter buildup.
Steve
Steve, after you get your engine back together why don't you drive down and let's put it on the dyno. I'd be happy to do it on a weekend. I can even tweak the ECM. Just get an 02 bung welded in your headers while it's apart. You're no further away than "Rage" is. He came down a couple of weeks ago. Sure would be nice to know exactly what power you've got.

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Old 12-28-2006 | 10:39 AM
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Steve, after you get your engine back together why don't you drive down and let's put it on the dyno. I'd be happy to do it on a weekend. I can even tweak the ECM. Just get an 02 bung welded in your headers while it's apart. You're no further away than "Rage" is. He came down a couple of weeks ago. Sure would be nice to know exactly what power you've got.

Bob
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