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Rage 01-27-2007 10:55 AM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 

Originally Posted by BGIII (Post 2006901)
If that is the case, then why would they use Edelbrock heads? We all know that they are not the best available.

525-550 horsepower is not rocket science. They are buying what makes the boat look faster/better and what they can get the best deal on. With the outrageous prices Mercury Racing charges for their product, it has to look like it is different or better than regular Mercury product. I don't think a guy that is willing to pay 300-500k for a boat w/ 525's and goes as far as to have airbrushed battery hold downs, wants a big old clunky set of KE's under the hatch. It doesn't matter how much horsepower, how good or how reliable they are. I do know that if I had a set of 525's in a 3 year old boat and needed to buy $10,000 worth of new headers because they were
leaking, I would be the most pissed off guy on the internet.

"if I had a set of 525's in a 3 year old boat and needed to buy $10,000 worth of new headers because they were leaking, I would be the most pissed off guy on the internet"

I could not agree with you more.

Too Old 01-27-2007 05:38 PM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 

Originally Posted by Rage (Post 2007032)
"if I had a set of 525's in a 3 year old boat and needed to buy $10,000 worth of new headers because they were leaking, I would be the most pissed off guy on the internet"

I could not agree with you more.

Fortunately, guys with 525s now have some choices when it comes to replacing those headers.

bob 01-27-2007 10:05 PM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 
When MR sells the CMI's on a 525 are they warrantied same as engine and if they spring a leak is the engine damage covered?

Rage 01-28-2007 08:48 AM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 

Originally Posted by Too Old (Post 2007321)
Fortunately, guys with 525s now have some choices when it comes to replacing those headers.

What am I looking at?

Brad Zastrow 01-28-2007 09:57 AM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 
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I personally think manifolds are not very attractive at all. I will stick with high polish SS Headers from CMI.

bcarpman 01-28-2007 11:56 AM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 

Originally Posted by bob (Post 2006705)
Rage, interesting comment as I had good inside info that Merc had made offers to KE to purchase his pipes. KE opted not to go there.

If that's true, it would backup my thought's on how much MR is actually paying for the CMI's The only reason KE wouldn't want to go there is if MR low balled them so much they decided it wasn't worth it. I've seen it happen before: CMI may be making almost nothing on their sales to MR, but are counting on the fact that having everyone see their stuff on Blue motors will sell a lot more of the normaly priced headers to compensate.

bob 01-28-2007 01:08 PM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 

Originally Posted by bcarpman (Post 2007781)
If that's true, it would backup my thought's on how much MR is actually paying for the CMI's The only reason KE wouldn't want to go there is if MR low balled them so much they decided it wasn't worth it. I've seen it happen before: CMI may be making almost nothing on their sales to MR, but are counting on the fact that having everyone see their stuff on Blue motors will sell a lot more of the normaly priced headers to compensate.


And how about the replacements on all of those MR engines when they get out of their warranty and they leak? Why, hello Fred, got any pipes?:D I don't think Stellings making a competitive replacement was within their business plan.

BenPerfected 01-28-2007 04:10 PM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 
Brad,
Nice looking piece and rigging job. What was the process you used to get your alternator looking clean?

Elite Marine 01-28-2007 09:34 PM

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Manifolds certainly wouldn't enhance the look of my engine, or the performance!! To each his own though. :D

BGIII 01-29-2007 06:52 AM

Re: Kieth Eckert Manifolds make more power than CMI Headers
 

Originally Posted by Pantera28-650HP (Post 2008288)
Manifolds certainly wouldn't enhance the look of my engine, or the performance!! To each his own though. :D

What's the tube length of those headers you're using?

I'CE 02-14-2013 12:56 PM

KE EX now being produced by ?

the deep 02-14-2013 01:02 PM

http://www.diamondperformanceparts.c...cat=282&page=1

aquaforce 02-14-2013 03:54 PM

A lot of water, pardon the pun, has gone under the bridge, or in the engines, since this thread started. I'm glad to see it come back around to where one can get the KE's and of course the GenX's are out now.

Any comparisons between the KE's and the GenX's?

I'CE 02-19-2013 08:40 PM

ke
 

Originally Posted by the deep (Post 3867288)

thank you

Borgie 12-16-2013 04:27 PM

I just bought a barely used set of these instead of tube headers and planning to run them dry. I really like the engineering that went into these and their solid reliability record in racing applications. I think they look awesome as well. And if you don't who cares? I'm not lifting the hatch every 5 mins showing off the engine?!

Coolerman's pic:
http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/...psufqxtf8l.jpg

Sunrocket24 12-16-2013 05:30 PM

My old neighbor in MI had those on his boat. He had a N/A 555CI engine and ran them dry boat sounded bad a$$ and was super loud! I thought they looked cool in his boat.

spectras only 12-16-2013 05:33 PM

Borgie, nice manifold. Why are you thinking of running it dry? You'd have over heating problems at the exhaust flanges that way,no?

the deep 12-16-2013 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by spectras only (Post 4042792)
Borgie, nice manifold. Why are you thinking of running it dry? You'd have over heating problems at the exhaust flanges that way,no?

Dry as in the cooling water never mixes with the exhaust stream .

spectras only 12-16-2013 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by the deep (Post 4042796)
Dry as in the cooling water never mixes with the exhaust stream .

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I know that,lol. I've installed Stellings dry exhausts before. Not a fan of dry exhausts anymore.

http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/c...20interior%201

Got EMI wet manifolds with s/s risers on same engine now.. No rpm drops over the Stellings what so ever.
We had over 104 db with the Stellings,Won't pass with the water popo on the lakes!

Borgie 12-16-2013 06:12 PM

Noise laws are only enforced at havasu. The lake I frequent, not unless you are a total D bag.

spectras only 12-16-2013 06:28 PM

Lake Okanagan used to be a great place for any high HP boat. Now they're on like donkey kong with anyone with dry exhausts that's reverberate from Peachland to Penticton. Buddy of mine only launches his triple engined boat at the Richmond launch next to the airport,LOL.
I's freaking loud and sounds like an airplane on takeoff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9VCdKpoh1Q

How's your transom repair going?

endeavor1 12-16-2013 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Coolerman (Post 2004187)
Here is a cutaway pic of when I made the headers. They are all 31 to 32 inches in length with a 4 into 2 into 1 collector.
Typically it performed like any good 2 X 32 header with frequently a little extra torque around 3600 to 4400 rpm because the 4-2-1 collectors which typically broaden the torque band. The runners actually have an oval profile with an area equal to a 2" round header. Currently we are using them on 1250 HP motors.
Dennis

Wow, never knew Dennis posted on here. Always thought it was Saxman

Borgie 12-16-2013 11:11 PM


Originally Posted by spectras only (Post 4042829)
Lake Okanagan used to be a great place for any high HP boat. Now they're on like donkey kong with anyone with dry exhausts that's reverberate from Peachland to Penticton. Buddy of mine only launches his triple engined boat at the Richmond launch next to the airport,LOL.
I's freaking loud and sounds like an airplane on takeoff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9VCdKpoh1Q


How's your transom repair going?

It's been pretty slow going the past couple of weeks. Been watching my 2 year old on my days off, so really need to set aside an entire day to cut out the rest of the surrounding wood. After that I'm going to make some patterns, do a really good once over prep and then order my fiberglass supplies. I didn't want to order resin and have it sit as I'm at a standstill right now. I will be sure to update my build thread with pics just as soon as my arms start itching from all that awesome fiberglass dust! :eek:: thanks for asking.

As for your Friends boat,,,, WOW!!! You weren't exaggerating. Glad mine won't be half that loud. Thing is angry!

Borgie 12-16-2013 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by Sunrocket24 (Post 4042791)
My old neighbor in MI had those on his boat. He had a N/A 555CI engine and ran them dry boat sounded bad a$$ and was super loud! I thought they looked cool in his boat.

That's good to hear!!! Gives me even more motivation to get this project finished!

spectras only 12-17-2013 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by Borgie (Post 4043002)
I.

As for your Friends boat,,,, WOW!!! You weren't exaggerating. Glad mine won't be half that loud. Thing is angry!

Here are those three angry puppies http://www3.telus.net/spectrasonly/47%20Pantera%202.jpg

DirtyMoney 01-11-2014 01:43 PM

So whats the story on these since no longer produced by Eickert?

Borgie 01-11-2014 01:52 PM

Diamond performace took over and now produces them: http://www.diamondperformanceparts.c...roductid=16660

baja27 01-13-2014 08:35 PM

what is the warranty on the new diamond performance header

Borgie 01-16-2014 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by baja27 (Post 4056516)
what is the warranty on the new diamond performance header

I'm really not sure, you would have to contact Diamond Performace. From everyone I have spoken to that's owned these long term, they all love them and couldn't be happier. They were also used in some race boats and are known for their raw durability.

Coolerman 01-18-2014 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4042847)
Wow, never knew Dennis posted on here. Always thought it was Saxman

lol.... he hacked my screen name a few times ;-)

Coolerman 01-18-2014 12:21 PM

In regards to the reliability of these headers, these castings are not easy to produce and there are always exceptions to the rule where a casting wasn't quite right (can happen with any vendor with any product).

Generally speaking, these things will last forever. All you really have to do is make sure you keep water to them, and have an air pop-off on your strainer so you don't get steam pockets collecting in the top of the header.

We have ran them on our BT for 15 yrs. We have been putting 1500hp+ through them the past few years and have beat them to death, and they still run with no leaks.

baja27 01-21-2014 11:35 AM

coolerman do you know the size of the primary's?

Borgie 01-23-2014 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by baja27 (Post 4060780)
coolerman do you know the size of the primary's?

I'm pretty certain they are 2 inch primaries.


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