WTF...water in the cylinders
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Oil would be fine if it was an exhaust manifold? I wish that was the case on the one I fixed
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Well guys replaced the plugs,oil and filter.Like i mentioned in an earlier post the oil was milky.The oil sucker that I have doesnt get all the oil out.I think about a quart and a half is left in the pan.Oil still looks milky.Cannot determine if the new oil was contaminated by the old oil.Just pulled all plugs again and cranked the engine after running for about 10 minutes on the garden hose.No water in the cylinders.
They are cast iorn exhaust manifolds btw.If it was a cracked block water would be coming out the sides,right?
Will take it to a professional next week.Hopefully it's nothing major.Thanks for your help.
They are cast iorn exhaust manifolds btw.If it was a cracked block water would be coming out the sides,right?
Will take it to a professional next week.Hopefully it's nothing major.Thanks for your help.
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No, the block can crack internally and just mix with the oil. But seeing its getting into the cyls , and you have good compression to,,,, Im hoping you just have an intake / gasket issue
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j-bones sorry you are right the progression of a ehaust man problem is water in cylinders eventually hydrolock motor (bent rods all bad) or drop valve widow block ruin head etc. been there
in prostreet case where he just noticed this no catostrophic damage yet it sounds like a intake gasket and noit may not leak on the hose ( at speed your engine may see higher preasure than on hose) I have seen 60 psi and it blew intakes in a couple of minutes had to run a dump to bleed presure, also heads and or intake can corrode at the water passage enough to cause a leak
once engine gets hot will cook off any moisture
if you can clamp or block off water lines ( inlets and outlets) and rig a schader valve up so you can put air preasure to engine listen for leak with mechanic stethescope
in prostreet case where he just noticed this no catostrophic damage yet it sounds like a intake gasket and noit may not leak on the hose ( at speed your engine may see higher preasure than on hose) I have seen 60 psi and it blew intakes in a couple of minutes had to run a dump to bleed presure, also heads and or intake can corrode at the water passage enough to cause a leak
once engine gets hot will cook off any moisture
if you can clamp or block off water lines ( inlets and outlets) and rig a schader valve up so you can put air preasure to engine listen for leak with mechanic stethescope
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If you still have 1.5 quarts of watery oil in the sump, that is bad. Even though you just changed the oil, I would again suck as much oil out as possible, then open the the drain in the pan and let it drain into the bilge, and catch it with a 5 gallon bucket as it comes out the plug hole at the stern (if you can't manage to snake a small container under the pan to catch the oil). If you don't, the water thats in the last 1.5 quarts may wreak some havoc with the bearings. Perhaps and oil change or 2 more after a couple hours running time would also be good insurance. In the long run, $50 in oil and filter and 2hrs of your time is far cheaper than rebuilding a motor, especially at the beginning of the season.
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Thanks for all the replys and helpful information guys.This forum is the best.I read my first post and must make a correction,thanks to my wife keeping a level head about this whole mess.She didn't want the boat in the first place.
I said water came out of all cyinders after plugs were removed.The correction is water came out all starboard cylinders nothing out the port cylinders.First two hours we were cruising the lake at abt 70mph we stopped really fast a couple times and water came up to the swim deck.I hoping for the least amount of agravation (wife) could reversion or water backing up into the thru hall exhaust cause this issue?
When I take the boat to the marina I need to explain to the mechanic exactly what had occured.
I said water came out of all cyinders after plugs were removed.The correction is water came out all starboard cylinders nothing out the port cylinders.First two hours we were cruising the lake at abt 70mph we stopped really fast a couple times and water came up to the swim deck.I hoping for the least amount of agravation (wife) could reversion or water backing up into the thru hall exhaust cause this issue?
When I take the boat to the marina I need to explain to the mechanic exactly what had occured.
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Check the exhaust. If the block was cracked you would probably fill the engine up with water. All the cracks I have seen from freezing where huge. It dosent take much water to turn the oil into milkshake. And yes it can be done with an exhaust leak.
Do a search you will find several threads on the topic.
Do a search you will find several threads on the topic.
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If you have thru hull exhaust look up the tailpipes and see if the flappers are in tact. Hopefully the sb side is missing!
To clean out the crankcase I always do this. Get oil pump priming tool. Remove the distributor. Dump 6 gallons of kero or diesel fuel into crankcase 2 gallons at a time. Run priming tool with first two gallons. Remove oil filter and evacuate kero thru filter mount by running priming tool. Reinstall filter when empty. Repeat 2 more times. Then do the same with some elcheapo motor oil a couple times. Install new oil and try it again. To check for early signs of milkshake, after running the engine crack the oil filter and look at the oil that runs out. Looking at the dipstick won't show it.
I would vote for an exhaust valve (or valve spring) failing because of your description of how it started acting while running. I have milkshaked engines just with reversion.
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To clean out the crankcase I always do this. Get oil pump priming tool. Remove the distributor. Dump 6 gallons of kero or diesel fuel into crankcase 2 gallons at a time. Run priming tool with first two gallons. Remove oil filter and evacuate kero thru filter mount by running priming tool. Reinstall filter when empty. Repeat 2 more times. Then do the same with some elcheapo motor oil a couple times. Install new oil and try it again. To check for early signs of milkshake, after running the engine crack the oil filter and look at the oil that runs out. Looking at the dipstick won't show it.
I would vote for an exhaust valve (or valve spring) failing because of your description of how it started acting while running. I have milkshaked engines just with reversion.
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Thanks for the replys everyone.Just trying to keep the wife from killing me for buying this boat.Were hoping that we dont have to put too much money into the repair since I paid too much for the boat anyway.But damn I like this boat.
Oh,the thru hull exhaust does not have flappers.It looks like what I would call "baffles" inside the pipes.
Oh,the thru hull exhaust does not have flappers.It looks like what I would call "baffles" inside the pipes.


