E3 Spark Plugs
 

I was watching Horsepower TV this morning and they were compairing spark plugs on their dyno. E3 plugs improved HP and fuel comsumpion both. They addmitted that it was a more expensive plug but the pay back was there in fuel savings. Does anybody know anything about these plugs ? I need to change the plugs in my 500 EFI's this year and was going to use NGK's before I saw this.

I SAW THE SAME SHOW . I LOVE WHEN THEY DYNO THINGS I AM GOING TO GET THEM 5HP A LOT FOR JUST PLUGS:evilb: JEGS AND SUMMIT HAVE THEM

i saw the same show. the dyno test pretty much sold me. the extra hp has to be worth it. but, has anyone tried them?

And I've got a bridge in Texas for sale, too.

Sounds like the same hype that surrounded split fires a few yrs ago.

I watched it, they actually did a comparison of a few brands, and tested HP, and the amount of fuel burned during the dyno run. It was a good test, seemed thought out and even.

you mean someting on tv, is not true ? hard to believe.

i am going to try them in my rxt seadoo i will gps the install yhe plugs then gps i see if it make me faster???????????:Score-101010:

5 hp in a boat is like a 5 degree air temperature change. Not measurable and technically might be good for about .3 mph.

I will take the. 3 mph if i can get it.

one test doesnt sell me. and 5hp could mean a million other things. I will stick to the simple copper tops.

BORT uses them.

I run 16 of them badboys in my Hemi truck and you can tell a diff , slightly better on fuel and hard to pull out on a wet road without lighting up the posi . Ok , thats probably just me but i would buy another set . Tried to get some for the HP in the boat but they do not make them at least as of last summer .

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i took a set out of a gm car last week,,the car was getting 200 miles per tank,,since i change them the car gets 285 miles per tank..

i put a set in a 454 boat once,it picked up 33 mph,anf fuel mileage went up 25 percent:party-smiley-004:

How long were the old ones in there , wow a lot of miles in a short time period . There are too many variables there to condemn the plugs . Did you also change the air filter and air up the tires ??? Think as you want i can only speak of my experiences ....:whistle:

Hell Mike , you don't need the blower anymore !!!:lolhit::lolhit:

i was a friends sisters car,,2001 pont gp with A 3800,,she drives the chit out of it! all i did was the plugs,they were in the car when she got it so i dont know how many miles were on them..

Oh wow I found my next power upgrade!

I`m up 50hp and 20mpg with my :
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right now I`m saving up for a K&N filter to put me over the top!!:lolhit:

Snake Oil and Bullsh*t for sale! Well there's a sucker born every minute and these companies marketing schemes make millions off the suckers! I still got that smok'in deal on that beachfront property in Omaha for the right price!

Oh. by the way, we do dyno pulls all the time on the same exact engine with no changes and see 5Hp variations within minutes of each other on dyno pulls. It"s just because the muffler bearings loosen up a little and the alternator phase capacitors wear in. Beam me up Scotty!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

Snake oil is right!!! I love when guys come to my shop to dyno there bike because they want to try out some new latest and greatest snake oil bs!! I think it's funny when it makes the same hp as previous saved dyno pulls and I think it's even funnier when they lose power!! I tell these guys don't buy in to all this scam crap!! But they dont listen....besides at dyno hourly rates I'll try what ever they want. I've got one customer that's tried at least 6 of these kinds of gimmicks. Last couple I tried talking him out of it as I started to feel bad....didn't listen and insisted it would help.

Hell, if e3 wants to pay me to dyno there plugs on national tv, I can give them at least 50 dyno proven hp....

:)

That's good stuff!!!:lolhit::lolhit:

+1
same ch*t,different version...
electricity is lazy,and WILL NOT fire three electrodes simultaneously...it will take the path of least resistance...
same story with splitfire.or bosch platinum4...marketing gimmick...
all those shows you see on speed or hp channels are just that,advertising and/or publicity

5 hp out of 500 is a 1% change. there is no commercial dyno on earth that can repeat within 4 % and most, like the superflows operate at about 5 to 7 % depending on about 40 different variables.

if the oil temp is different by 10 degrees you get a 1 % change...

so... as far as the scientific validity of the data, it is worth exactly nothing . beyond that, single pull runs are not the way that type of evaluation testing is done. it is done over, perhaps 50 pulls and then averaging the area under all the curves.

and as for the plugs... a spark plug used in formula 1 where the motors cost roughly $ 500,000 each and they would kill their mothers for a single hp ( because more hp = more downforce ) the spark plugs are completely conventional.

shocking , i know... that an infomercial might try to get you to buy something based on fake testing... but just like hair growers and dick englargers and magic belts that will cause you to lose 200 lbs in 3 days, it is simply bullsht.

and you should be smart enough to know that .

Lets see , $5000.00 for something with no moving parts is OK but a couple bucks just to try something a little different that may or may not work and i'm an idiot and a buyer of snake oil .
I happened to like the concept of unshrouding the flame kernel and it certainly has not hurt my performance or fuel mileage as proven by me . Wow , step outside some of you guys narrow train of thought and get flamed . Go ahead and have your fun at my expense , i can take it , but i don't think i'm the one that looks foolish here . Here , beam this up .....:party-smiley-004:....:lolhit:...I know these chitty comments were not directed at me but still tire of them .

If man were meant to fly he would have wings .....:lolhit:

If man were meant to go underwater he would have gills.....:lolhit:

if man were meant to stay on earth.he would have roots...
not bashing anybody,deep...it's just that some of us have been there before... :-)

I am on the snake oil school of thought and lot of these chincy aftermarket things are scam, there are some good ones out there but very few. My feeling is this, if something was so much greater it woul be included in the original equipment. But that also might drive up the price and I realize manufactures do throw the lowest priced acceptable components in things to keep their bottom line down.

Snake Oil aside, no-one has mentioned anything about that monstrous electrode hanging in your combustion chamber. Too much mass for the conduction path, one long ride at speed and those tips will become glow plugs your are looking at guaranteed detonation. Why do you think racing plugs have short electrodes, less mass to hold heat, less chance of detonation. In a car that spends 90% of it's time at 15% load, you might actually see an improvement. But you could take your OEM plug and jump up a heat range and see the same difference.

That is much better , good information without the belittling words and insults . That bullshat really got my ignorant side up this morning.....:angry-smiley-038::angry-smiley-038::angry-smiley-038:....I guess mama didnt teach a few here the " Golden Rule " Thank you.....deep

I apologize to rrentsch for the stern comments to the azzclowns . To bad you gotta walk on eggshells around here when you make a simple truthful statement to a question asked . Again , at least i am man enough to apologize to you .....deep

I don't think I made any direct comments to anyone on this board. Mostly my own personal experiences with my dyno and street bikes. The e3, platinum plus 4 (or what ever they are called) and splitfires made no positive changes to any dyno run that I've done. In some cases causes damage to turbo motors due to issues that where mentioned with having the large electrode in the combustion chamber causing detonation.


As to thinking Ray's post were funny. I can't speak for him, but I didn't take the post as it was directed at any person in general. I still think they were funny, maybe I have a messed up since of humor. The kind were you think its funny when your buddy stands up in a low basement and knocks his head into a beam. :angry-smiley-038:


No offense intended.

Fair enough , none taken . Did you ever have one of those days you should not have bothered to get out of bed . I think i also have a good sense of humor just do not like being talked down to . You are a good man . Thanks , deep

all I know is last year my son put a set in his cobalt SS turbo 2.0 and after 1 day started popping, missing like crazy...we put the old stock plugs back in...ran fine and still is...junk is what I think..

i have had better luck cleaning ground wires to engine block periodicaly and running an extra ground wire to each cylinder head from ground(ensured ground). first time was with MSD 5 box, seemed to make power, after adding ground power seemed to double(back in70's with 250-6). have done it eversince. have tried other gimmicks along the way when had extra cash to try, most seemed more hype then put-out. you don't know til you try, so as long as you can afford it, give it a shot. best to have friend to try it first.

Deep:
I apologize to you if my comments were seeming to be directed at you or your information. Absolutely Not!

What I was doing with my information (actual dyno testing) and comments was taliking to the companies and sales people who make these products and then spend big bucks with promotional TV shows advertising convincing the unprotected and unknowing public and indidivuals who might buy these products looking to benefit from the claimed improvements.

I know there are a lot of boaters out there who are looking for simple improvements they can make to their engines and still reap some plus benefits and that is a good side of the OSO technical threads. There are always going to be some simple inexpensive products, changes and improvements that will come up and be discussed here on OSO and thats great. However there are also products and posts where someone will ask about a product or modification that has been well documented by many boaters and users that just does not justify it's cost and claims. That is the other good side of OSO as it will generally be pointed out to people that through the real world expierences of other OSO members what products and changes really work and what ones do not.

Thats why I and others on OSO try to relate real results and improvement not claimed results.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

I tried the ec3 plugs in a 800 cc snowmobile a few years ago, sled started popping and running like crap at wot once warmed up, plugs were NOT fouled or wet, changed back to run of the mill plugs and sled ran normal. Dried them out later with a map torch (we commonly do this on snowmobile plugs) just in case they were oil or fuel fouled and we couldn't see it, put them in a 580 cc sled and it too ran like crap at wot warmed up, threw them in the trash, Smitty

I had one in a husqvarna weed eater. Fouled like crazy and ran like crap

You have proven yourself to be the man of honor i was hoping you were . In your post it sounded like myself and the other guy's that purchased these plugs were being ridiculed as fools for giving these a try . Anyway i appreciate your words . Please keep sharing your mechanical wisdom as myself and many others are all ears !! Sam

You can't dump beer in a weedeater and expect it to run !!!!:lolhit::lolhit::lolhit::evilb: