Attention all Motor Guys *Advice Needed*
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I looked at the Gaffrig arrestors Not cheap. Don't want to spend 1K is it's not going to help a great deal.
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I would think you should be at least 600hp and closer to 650hp. The Merc 600SC used a 420 blower. Maybe try comparing your specs to the 600SC specs.
What are your cam specs???????? flat tappet or roller???
What are your cam specs???????? flat tappet or roller???
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283 Int 293 Exh 60overlap
Duration @.050 236 INT. 246 Exh. Overlap 13
Lift @cam .325" Int. .336" Exh.
Lift @valve .553" Int. .571" Exh.
Centerline 114
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[QUOTE=daredevil;2779231]
WOW, i think ,,,thats way tooooo much flow for a 420 .
a buddy of mine runs twin 1100 HP with a 8-71 and only has twin 800 on there , putting out 11 # of boost .
Its not about how big it is, its how fast (velociti), they put the air thru the carb.( AIRFLOW, NOT AIRVOLUME )!!!
BIG IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD !!!!
When I put this project together I sent the carbs to Nickerson with all of the engine specs and that is what he came up with.
The fuel curves look good on the dyno sheets that I remember.
WOW, i think ,,,thats way tooooo much flow for a 420 .
a buddy of mine runs twin 1100 HP with a 8-71 and only has twin 800 on there , putting out 11 # of boost .
Its not about how big it is, its how fast (velociti), they put the air thru the carb.( AIRFLOW, NOT AIRVOLUME )!!!
BIG IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD !!!!
The fuel curves look good on the dyno sheets that I remember.
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This may sound stupid,,,,,,,,but are u shure they are 420's ????
A friend of mine had the 454 blowers on a 502 engine and thats what happend..........
he could not get up in RPM ,because the blower needet so much power to keep up with the airflow the 502 needs.
We took the blowers of and ran it with a carb ,,,,boom spun the damn thing up to 6 K with no problem.
Checked the blower and shure enuff come to find out its for a 454 insted a 502,,,i cant tell u anymore where to look ,,,but it shure sounds like same problem to me !!!!
A friend of mine had the 454 blowers on a 502 engine and thats what happend..........
he could not get up in RPM ,because the blower needet so much power to keep up with the airflow the 502 needs.
We took the blowers of and ran it with a carb ,,,,boom spun the damn thing up to 6 K with no problem.
Checked the blower and shure enuff come to find out its for a 454 insted a 502,,,i cant tell u anymore where to look ,,,but it shure sounds like same problem to me !!!!
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Ok,,,just a thought i had ?! Sorry.
But i dont understand why it would not go over 5100 RPM !
5400-5500 sounds better ,,,i think.
Could realy be airflow ?!
Where is the fuelpress ? should be 8.5- 9 PSI at WOT !
maybe mix is wrong ????
Boost should kick in at 2800 up to max.
But i dont understand why it would not go over 5100 RPM !
5400-5500 sounds better ,,,i think.
Could realy be airflow ?!
Where is the fuelpress ? should be 8.5- 9 PSI at WOT !
maybe mix is wrong ????
Boost should kick in at 2800 up to max.
Fuel pressure(I do have a gauge right on fuel line before Carbs. ) I think i run consistant 7-8PSI.
Maybe I'm chasing a ghost. This could be all the motor has and tuning more might not get me anything to speak of. Again my original thought was to put the smaller pulley on and gain a bunch of Horse power. But then I thought I might have to reprop. I am only running 23P 4 Blade Hydromotive. for Barvo 1's. I need to send the props out to have Hydro put in the larger Hubs for XR's so if I could gain some I could go to more pitch. I have alot of testing to do I guess. Maybe I splurge and Dyno the motor again with a few different pulley's and see where I end Up. thanks again for all your help and advice.
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Hi! When you had the engine on the dyno did they check for cfm? How much cfm were you pulling through the carbs? They stick an airflow hat on each carbs. It does sound like to much carb to me also. I haven't run anything smaller then an 8-71 and that would be enough for that. I bought a set of 1050 dominators off a guy who had them on a 509c.i. He was able to rejet the carbs smaller for the air fuel ratio to be good, but was only flowing around 500cfm He had to go with smaller carbs and made more power. I don't know if he was having problems with rpm though. Whomever put the engine on the dyno should have seen a big red flag when it wouldn't go past 5100rpm You're probably leaning on parts pretty hard from this also.
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What valve springs are you running, and do you know what they're installed at? It's quite common for springs without enough pressure, or even the wrong style spring to produce bad harmonics causing minor valve float very early in the RPM range. On blown motors as the rpms increase and the float gets worse it starts to bleed cylinder pressure, losing boost and horsepower. Your engine basically hits a wall. Just a thought...
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Have you tried going down in pitch on the props to try and get it to spin faster???? I really can't see that you should have a problem making enough torque though to get past 5100rpms.
What about the timing?????? Where is it set for full advance and what ignition are you running???
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scoops around the vinly to add air and chillers