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spectras only 12-18-2009 12:21 AM

Ray , I've used Melling HV pumps on all big blocks in the past in all Ford or Chevy engines. Consistent pressures with small drop at high temps., rock solid when cold at idle.
Can't say the same for my bone stock 377 sbc since day one ,and I have only around 200 hrs on both engines. SmartCraft and analogue backup gauges both read around 40-42 pressure at 600 rpm when cold , and drops as low as 27-28 when the oil is hot .Should have an oil cooler on these . I've been using the Merc 25-40 blend from day one , and wonder if it would be better to switch for 20-50 .Which oil would you recommend for this 6.2 MX [377] engine? Thanks
Ps; the stock oil pan is quite small and I wonder if the oil splashes up the cylinder walls running hard in rough water ,causing the oil getting too hot .

Rookie 12-18-2009 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Vinny P (Post 3006906)
Ray,

Have you heard of the claims of pressure fluctuations @ idle speeds? As I said, the engines I recently did, have had no such effects. I too, use the high pressure spring that comes in the pump from the factory.

I have a M77HV in my starboard engine and a 10778c in my port engine. I forget which one does it, but at idle one engine bounces between 30-50lbs every once in a while. normally runs 80lbs cold and 50 hot. I think it is my port engine.

Thunderstruck 12-29-2009 08:53 AM

All else being equal i.e. same bearings, oil lines etc, does switching to a HV pump raise oil pressure?

Throttle Fever 12-29-2009 09:24 AM

Yes about 6 to 10 psi. But you do not want anything over 65 - 70 psi cold idle.

Fixxxer22 12-29-2009 09:47 AM

I run the melling HV that was purchased then sent to another shop to be blueprinted. works very well but does fluctuate at hot idle. just my 2 cents.

Thunderstruck 12-29-2009 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by Throttle Fever (Post 3013705)
Yes about 6 to 10 psi. But you do not want anything over 65 - 70 psi cold idle.

What's the issue above 65-70 psi cold idle??

I rebuilt 500HPs several years ago and have had 45-50 psi hot WOT and 20 psi hot idle ever since. Don't remember the cold idle pressure.

Both engines out of the boat now and the bearings/leakdowns look good so I was going to add a HV oil pump to boost the pressure a little. Looks like the lower oil pressure is due to clearances from the rebuild so a HV pump could make better pressure?

Thunderstruck 12-29-2009 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Fixxxer22 (Post 3013717)
I run the melling HV that was purchased then sent to another shop to be blueprinted. works very well but does fluctuate at hot idle. just my 2 cents.

Does the pressure fluctuate with rpm at idle i.e. blower surge or cam lope???

Young Performance 12-29-2009 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Throttle Fever (Post 3013705)
But you do not want anything over 65 - 70 psi cold idle.

Why is that? Every engine that I build has more than that at a cold idle.

Young Performance 12-29-2009 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by Thunderstruck (Post 3013904)
Does the pressure fluctuate with rpm at idle i.e. blower surge or cam lope???

Not so much with cam lope, but pressure will move around with any pump if the rpms are surging up and down do to a blower, etc.

Throttle Fever 12-30-2009 09:32 AM

Cold High Pressure
 

Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 3014023)
Why is that? Every engine that I build has more than that at a cold idle.

Eddie, We found on alot of our Road Race engines that run heavier weight oil, that the higher pressure with "cold" oil was showing signs of bearing erosion happening. (Sort of like trying to push clay through a pop bottle). We alway blue print the pump and adjust the spring to maintain the idle pressure at about 60 psi based on the oil that is going to be used in the engine. Most of the bearing erosion will happen from high oil pressure at start up's. Cold oil as we know does no good to the engine either, then to run high pressure on top of that?? A engine really only needs about 5 psi per 1000 rpm (even though most people use the 10 per 1000 rule of thumb). Just for what it is worth. Pete


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