We are talking about a different time my friend. In 1996-1997 AT and OL focused on the same customer. Today they do not. The customers that built both the OL and 388 Hustler at the time did it with full factory support. Both did it to beat the AT’s. I remember mike coming down back then to dial in the boat.

The new AT’s are more akin to a TG versus anything else. I would categorize it as an open cockpit offshore deep V with “some” newer technology and "some” bling. Compare a 39 OL to a 37AT in ride. I have been in both and the 39 OL’s ride is laughable but fast and stylish. I am more of a substance guy at the end of the day. I am old school.

I know all about the older 37 OL's and the 388 Hustler. I also happen to be good friends with the one's who designed both!:D:D

Who did design both?

Both done by Fiore's!:D

Very well rounded to say the least.

Bingo! My short list, er only list, was 38 TG. I spent several hours riding in and driving BillR's before I decided I had to have one. My biggest concern was the loss of cabin space over my previous boat which we overnighted on quite a bit. Then decided to give AT a try. Flew to Pampano and went for a RIDE with Pat. Sold!

Now I will say that having AT offer to take my boat on trade certainly helped facilitate this deal. (Could not find any Cig dealers to even consider it.) It made for an easy/quick decision and is why I named her Sudden Thunder.

As for which boat rides better, I can't say anymore. I used to think the Cig had a slight edge, but I now have enough seat time in mine it would be interesting to compare them again. But, as Clark said, the deep cockpit of the AT (and cabin ofcourse) is really what sets this boat apart.

I can speak volumes on AT's hull design.

I purchased the first 33 step bottom AT produced and ran it with the 37 AT's in the snottiest chit you can find.

In 6 to 8's with 12 and 15 foot holes coming back from Key Largo, we ran 45 to 50mph with one other 37 (just breaking in his motors) side by side. We'd come up from a swell and lose sight of him and then go down in a swell and he'd lose sight of us. Fun stuff.

There were also 2 other 37 AT's with us that ran ahead from Miami to Pompano at 50 to 55mph in the same water.

No body else was out that day.

I have to say if I was shopping for a brand new boat today the AT and the Cig would probably be the only 2 I would look at. The AT would have attention for several reasons, such as the rave reviews, speed with stock power, all the extras, but most of all the price difference. Both boats considered at the same price I am afraid the Top Gun will come out on top more often. Cigarette is the standard that all boats strive towards. There would be no AT without Cigarette IMO. The Cig has built a solid reputation and following from not only it's offshore abilities but also it's craftsmanship. These boats hold together, you are not screwing them back together at the dock. I also feel that these 2 boats appeal to 2 different people, one is built to be rugged and has a bear bones cabin because it's owners are buying the boat to run it hard in the slop and are not using as an overnighter every weekend. The other wants a true performance boat that has all the ammenities and it used a weekender. The AT to me is attractive because of all the reasons listed as I get older I am not looking to go out and run in the biggest water I can find anymore. I have never riddin in one yet and would love to but I have seen them out in 2-3 and can't even come close to staying with them and then I have seen them out in 5-6 fts and I can pit some distance between us. I believe there is no substitute for length and displacement when it gets rough. I have also seen full cabin boats with frig's and microwaves fall right out in the cabin on the way home from Block Island. Each boat has it's strong pionts but to say one is better in every way just because they want to say the are better then the other is laughable

The 38 TG and 37 AT are the same length and weight. The 39 TG is a foot longer. Are you running those 37 AT in CT? The AT is not better in every way and if you show me that quote on this thread I will by you a drink. The points on the AT is that you get the just as good as of a "Ride" ride with more "cabin amenities". Some are even saying the AT is a better bang for your buck.

Again I don’t see anyone posting and saying that they are better in every facet...

Agreed on the best bang for your buck, I am not trying stir up trouble it is just my opium that the Cig is built for more abuse and the AT is more comfort. Can someone post all the specs on each boat over all length,weight,price etc. I think for many if not most the AT is the better boat for the dough but I love how many threads on OSO are about a boat being compared to a Cig. Donzi's,formula's,AT,outerlimits,etc. There is no debating whether or not the Cig is quality or not the question has been are any of the others of the same quality for less money. It is a good fair question, I would not want to pay the premium fir the Cig until I was looking for resale then I would have been glad I did.