It's a shame you had a bad experience with Cig at the show. I would call the factory and have a dicussion with Tim. It sounds like you are a serious buyer. If you are, I would tell Tim your story and let him spend some time with you. Sounds to me like either boat would work for you but I wouldn't discount the Cig based on a bad boat show moment.

No question you pay top $ for a new Cigarette. Do you pay extra for the Cig name? Yes. Is it worth the extra money? For a buyer that has the money and wants the best wave crusher in the business...yes. And that is not a secret. For a buyer that is lookin for alittle bit of everything like space, comfort, amenities,and speed, and the extra 50k or so for the Cig is going to be a deciding factor, probably not. Cigs were designed as offshore race boats, IMO they have not strayed much from that "title". So if you want a true offshore race style boat, Cig is the answer. If you want an "all around" offshore boat, AT would be better.....With that being said, Cigarette boats have been THE name in offshore powerboats for over 30 years and I dont think AT, Fountain, or any other manufacturer can or will ever match what Cigarette has done for the "offshore sport". There is a #1 on the side for a reason!!!!!

Does not sound to me like he is discounting the Cig in any way.... Actually I think he gave one of the MOST objective comparisons i have read here on OSO... Most ppl on here are so biased in there opinions sipmly because of what they own it is VERY hard to get an accurate compairson.. but that is just my 2 cents... what do i know i own an old ass formula...lmao..

I think all boats should be compared to Cig in some way. Their brand equity and goodwill is second to none. Their history is second to none. They have a cult/lifestyle following like Harley Davidson. That doesn’t mean that Honda doesn’t beat Harley on certain products or in certain characteristics. Cig sold a lot of boats when Craig ran the company, but they quality is no where near where it is today under Skip. He has taken it to the next level.

With regard to your comparing the capability of a Cig and an AT... Unless you have been in both in comparable condition you really should NOT make the comparison. I believe you only said you have seen AT’s in similar water. I was posting my experience with both since I have good experience in the 39TG, 38 TG, and the 37AT. I also have a lot of experience in the 35 Café and the 31 Bullet. Lets try and stick with comparing 2010 product to 2010 product with real life experiences, not assumptions and hearsay.

There is a little sawed off man with jet black hair who wears a lot of gold that would argue that point with you.

Ha Ha Ha ...If your talking about Reggie, I think your right! He also is a legend! I cannot argue what he has done. Very fast boats.....but the beak!!!!!

I'll say one or two things on the subject.

I am surprised you had a poor experience at the boat show. At the Jammin' on the James Poker run this year Tim stood with me for about an hour and a half talking boats with me, and couldn't have been nicer. I only say this because I thought it was a very nice gesture in light of some of the big hardware there, and the fact that I was a 28 year old kid in a 20 year old CIG with a cup full of Aristocrat who was OBVIOUSLY many decades away from being in the market for a new cig - he had nothing to gain.

IN MY OPINION, CIG is ****ing up by not offering more full cabins because I think that is important to alot of people. To that point there are a handful of 39's with an enclosed bathroom and a more "livable" cabin - I think these should be one of the hottest commodities out there.

The couple AT's I have been around looked awesome from a fit/finish standpoint.

Something NOONE has mentioned and will keep me loyal to Cig for as long as they suit my needs is that there is (in my opinion) NO boat in the world that has the looks and lines of the cigs - whether in the water, at speed, in the air, or on the trailer, the lines are unparalleled.

That's to funny. He can argue that point all he wants but like mentioned also it's that little beak that sells that boat. Can't argue the fact there a great looking boat however I have owned two of them and wouldn't consider another one.

If I recall, he is comparing boat manufacturers that were present at this year's Miami boat show.

Apache was not present.

I thought I would let him decide since it was his thread however I deleted anyway. I will start a new one. In the market for the same needs and expectations of a boat. I didn't realize the importance of who was present or not.