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If it basically has an off idle flat spot/bog, then you might need a bigger accelerator pump. Is the carb stock with the 30cc or the 50cc accelerator pump????
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Fixx
your way too far out on the idle mixture screws,,1/2 to 1 turn max..your stumble could be several reasons..first try to set the idle mixture correctly,start at 3/4 turn and turn the screws vary little at a time and let the engine calm bown..out is fat in is lein..if your idle screw is set to high then you will get a off idle stumble,set the idle with the secondary stop screw and leave the primary alone..
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idle mixture screws,,1/2 to 1 turn max .i agree with mrfix.the jets set up sounds ok. let your motor idle take carb cleaner spray around the base of the carb to see if you have a leak and if the motor revs up the gasket is not seal . if thats ok i wounld check your timing put it at 34degrees at 3000rpm
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I see your getting a lot of info here and don't want to add any more confusion to your problem however I would seriously pull it off and pull your bowl covers and metering gaskets. I have pulled down brand new carbs with similar problems and found the metering block gasket was way off from where it was suppose to be. In a nutshell it (they) were blocking holes in the carb base. It's just a manufacturing quality issue. It happens. Just pay close attention when you pull the bowls for insepection. The gaskets can just sometimes shift during assm. from Holley or ???
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Carb thunderbolt V at 8 degrees???? I think my 1998 carb 500 hps had thunderbolt V ignitions. I think the ignitions had 20 degrees advance. At 34 degrees total advance, which is whate you need, you need to be at 14 not 8 at idle. Forget the purple/white wire deal. Put the boat in the water and run the rpms up to 3200 or so and set the timing at 34.
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I believe all the timing was in at 3000 rpm for the thunderbolt V so you should be OK at 3200-3500.
Why can't you rap the throttle out of gear??? Also, setting the idle screws while idling in gear is the best way to set the idle adjustment. Just enough fuel to keep it from dying in gear. You need to get down and start eliminating issues. It can't be ..... should not be in your vocabulary right now. |
Originally Posted by Thunderstruck
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Carb thunderbolt V at 8 degrees???? I think my 1998 carb 500 hps had thunderbolt V ignitions. I think the ignitions had 20 degrees advance. At 34 degrees total advance, which is whate you need, you need to be at 14 not 8 at idle. Forget the purple/white wire deal. Put the boat in the water and run the rpms up to 3200 or so and set the timing at 34.
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you probably have done so however also be sure both primary and secondary squirters are working well.
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Here is the TB V info as it different than the TB IV by alot. Its always changing advance so i dont think you can check the advance at at 3500 as depending on load it will chang itself. Thats why they want you to set base timing with wire grounded at 8 degrees....The knock sensor pulls and adds advance.
I have gotten alot of great ideas and info that i need to look into all of these ideas. See they tell u in the manual to set idle and mixture screw adjustments with the ECM in base timing mode with the wire grounded, is this rally necessary? in gear what should rpms be. General Description The Thunderbolt V ignition system has several spark control features that will be described following: D Idle Speed Spark Control D Acceleration Spark Advance D Mean-Best-Timing Spark Advance D Over-Speed Control (Rev-Limiter) D Knock Retard Spark Control NOTE: The Ski models do not have the Mean Best Timing feature. Idle Speed Spark Control The ignition module will control ignition timing to maintain a calibrated idle speed. This is accom- plished by making small spark advance adjustments. This feature is only active within a certain RPM range. This range may be slightly different from one engine model to another. The approximate range is 400-700 RPM. Acceleration Spark Advance This feature is active during acceleration only. When accelerating, the ignition module may add more spark advance to the “Base Spark Timing Curve”. The amount of spark advance added, is totally de- pendant on how fast RPM increases (how fast the throttle is moved). This feature is also active within a certain RPM range. This range may be slightly differ- ent from one engine model to another. The approxi- mate RPM range for this feature is 1200-4000 RPM. Within this range, the module can add approximately 10 degrees of spark advance to the base spark timing curve. Mean-Best-Timing (MBT) Spark Advance During light load cruising, the ignition module searches for the optimal ignition timing. This is also accomplished by small changes to the spark ad- vance. At a given RPM, the module will try to add a small amount of advance and wait to see if there is an RPM change. If RPM increases, it will try to in- crease timing more. The module will continue to ad- vance timing until it no longer gets an increase in RPM. Conversely, if it senses an RPM drop, it will start to retard some of the spark timing. The approxi- mate RPM range for this feature is 1200-4000 RPM. Within this range, the ignition module can add approximately 10-15 degrees of spark advance to the base spark timing curve. NOTE: The Audio Warning System is also connected into the ignition module circuit. If the audio warning system becomes activated by the closing of one of the audio warning system switches, the MBT feature is deactivated. Over-Speed Control The ignition module will prevent the engine speed from exceeding a preset limit by stopping the spark. This feature has an RPM range that varies from mod- el to model. The over-speed limit for a particular en- gine is set slightly higher than the top end of the RPM range for that model. For example, if the recom- mended range is 4600-5000 RPM, the over-speed limit would be set at 5100 RPM. When RPM reaches this limit, spark is turned-off until engine RPM drops down to a “Reset RPM”, which would be approxi- mately 4750 RPM for this example. At this point, spark comes back on. Knock Retard Spark Control The knock control feature helps provide protection from harmful detonation. Knock control is handled by the Knock Control Module. This module receives a signal from a sensor that is mounted on the engine block. The knock control module works in conjunc- tion with the ignition module to retard the timing if spark knock is present. |
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