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Old 08-04-2010, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by VillainIII
I run straight 40w. I remember Bob Teague recommending straight weight oils in a tech column a few years back. IIRC, it had something to do with multi-grades not handling moisture as well as straight grades, and who starts there engines and just takes off with them cold anyway?
And Teague Runs a 15w-50 in his boat now, whats that tell ya?!! Straight weight oils are OLD TECHNOLOGY! It'd be like buying a brand new Vette and putting an AM radio in it.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by caseypierson
are you serious??? i am new to boating. thats kinda thick isnt it??? not questioning your knowledge about boats because i know nothing about them... y do you have to run such thick oil in the motor? thanks for your time guys on teaching a me a lil about boats
15/40 is fine and I don't remember correctly but that' could be what's recommended. Mercury oil is a 15/40. Boat engines need a higher viscosity rating than car engines for a few different reasons. I'd run a 15/40 or even a straight 40W if you boat in warm weather. I run straight 50W in my 800's.
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Originally Posted by minxguy
You wonder why there is so much confusion on oils.

A 25w40 IS A MULTI-VISCOSITY!!!!!!!

Who told you that an XX w XX oil IS NOT MULTI-VISCOSITY?

It has no bearing on the viscosity whether the oil is blended or not.

And the oils you suggested...guess what, ALL MULTI-VISCOSITY.

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Easy, Killer. Merc states (stated?) that even though they mark their oil as a 25W40 it is actually a blend of 25W and 40W oils. Therefore, not a multi-viscosity oil. If you look back through the old Hydrocruiser oil thread I believe someone did a lab analysis on Merc's oil and it stated what straight weight it actually equates out to (30 something). I did not just make this stuff up. I know what a multi-viscosity oil is. That is why I stated the caveat about the Merc oil. Unless something has changed, they claim it is a straight weight oil even though it is marked as a multi-viscosity oil. If someone knows more about the Merc oil, please chime in. I know I read it somewhere at some point (maybe the bottle?). If I misunderstood Merc's description of the oil then I apologize for the misinformation.

Edit: here is the latest description of the oil. Different than what I remember from the past. Merc states it is a multi-viscosity. I will look through the old oil thread to see if I can find information to back what I believe Merc used to market the oil as.

http://www.mercurymarine.com/parts-a...ercruiser-oil/

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Old 08-04-2010, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by minxguy
And the oils you suggested...guess what, ALL MULTI-VISCOSITY.

Ken
Mobil 1 is treated as a multi-visc but in reality it's not blended as a multi-visc oil like most other brands. It's classified with that rating because it has the ability to flow in cold weather like a 15W but also has the ability to protect at high temp/load like a 50W.

That's my understanding at least.
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Originally Posted by 07DominatorSS
And Teague Runs a 15w-50 in his boat now, whats that tell ya?!! Straight weight oils are OLD TECHNOLOGY! It'd be like buying a brand new Vette and putting an AM radio in it.
I was just stating what I run and one of the reasons why I do what I do. My 454 mag has been running on straight wt oil for 21 years, and I highly doubt that multi-grade oil would make it last any longer. Multi-grade oils are for people that start their engines and are too busy to warm them up before running them. Yes, multi-grade oils are newer technology, but not necessarily better technology, they are for different applications. Brad Penn and Royal Purple make and sell SYNTHETIC STRAIGHT WT oils.
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Originally Posted by minxguy
You wonder why there is so much confusion on oils.

A 25w40 IS A MULTI-VISCOSITY!!!!!!!

Who told you that an XX w XX oil IS NOT MULTI-VISCOSITY?

It has no bearing on the viscosity whether the oil is blended or not.

And the oils you suggested...guess what, ALL MULTI-VISCOSITY.

Ken
Here is what I was referring to from the old oil thread. As you can see, Hydro provides info that backs what I remember reading on the back of the Merc 25W40 bottles a few years back. It was a blend of straight weight oils, not a multi-viscosity (though labled as such). Confusing to the consumer. Obviously from the info on their site they have since changed the oil to be a true multi-viscosity. Sorry for any confusion I caused for not staying up to date with Merc's oil. I have not used it since early 2005 (to break the motor in). See the first couple posts.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...cation-72.html
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If an oil's flow rate meets or performs "like" a 20w oil and when elevated to the proper test temp, meets or performs "like" an SAE 50 that particular is a multi-viscosity oil period.

It does not make any difference if the oil was blended with straight cut base stocks or with a polymer.

If thereis a "w" in the descriptor of the viscosity, I am sorry to say, it is a multi viscosity.

Knot 4 me sorry for jumping in your S***, but just because Mercury says something doesn't mean it is correct, espically with something they don't even manufacture.

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Originally Posted by minxguy
If an oil's flow rate meets or performs "like" a 20w oil and when elevated to the proper test temp, meets or performs "like" an SAE 50 that particular is a multi-viscosity oil period.

It does not make any difference if the oil was blended with straight cut base stocks or with a polymer.

If thereis a "w" in the descriptor of the viscosity, I am sorry to say, it is a multi viscosity.

Knot 4 me sorry for jumping in your S***, but just because Mercury says something doesn't mean it is correct, espically with something they don't even manufacture.

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No problem. Good info and I stand corrected.
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Originally Posted by minxguy
If an oil's flow rate meets or performs "like" a 20w oil and when elevated to the proper test temp, meets or performs "like" an SAE 50 that particular is a multi-viscosity oil period.

It does not make any difference if the oil was blended with straight cut base stocks or with a polymer.

If thereis a "w" in the descriptor of the viscosity, I am sorry to say, it is a multi viscosity.

Knot 4 me sorry for jumping in your S***, but just because Mercury says something doesn't mean it is correct, espically with something they don't even manufacture.

Ken
The difference is if an additive was put into the oil to make it a multi-weight. Most synthetics naturally flow better at cold temps but also perform well under high temp/load because they are synthetic.

That's the key differentiator in my mind.

Here's an informative article here for the others concerned about using a multi-visc. vs. straight weight; http://www.blackstone-labs.com/oil-viscosity.php

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