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Rookie 09-23-2011 09:05 AM

WOW!! I thought this was just a 454 peanut port head vs any other head with the same internals, small cam and carbs challenge. And the smaller runner peanut port heads were going to stomp the others. Now it is a most power out of a 454 challenge? (West Coast Dyno rules)
I love winter on OSO!!

Fresh :food-smiley-007: who needs some?

endeavour32 09-23-2011 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by Sunrocket24 (Post 3510487)
:lolhit::lolhit:

It sure isn't as nice as your dyno room. Hey lets roll out this car and roll in the dyno.

:lolhit:

apollard 09-23-2011 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 3510490)
WOW!! I thought this was just a 454 peanut port head vs any other head with the same internals, small cam and carbs challenge. And the smaller runner peanut port heads were going to stomp the others. Now it is a most power out of a 454 challenge? (West Coast Dyno rules)
I love winter on OSO!!

Fresh :food-smiley-007: who needs some?

He's done the same thing on a couple of car forums, where the shootout never materialized either. Challenge, say people don't know what they are talking about, then change the topic / rules / etc to avoid actually producing what he originally said.

Pass a bag of popcorn down here...

Wayniac 09-23-2011 10:01 AM

If both parties are unable to agree on a dyno, I'd like to suggest a test bed.....................maybe a 22' foot Stingray with a modified Alpha..........:party-smiley-004:

Rookie 09-23-2011 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by Wayniac (Post 3510533)
If both parties are unable to agree on a dyno, I'd like to suggest a test bed.....................maybe a 22' foot Stingray with a modified Alpha..........:party-smiley-004:

OH SNAP!! You had to go there.

Nice 40th post. I hope all the other 39 were that strong :)

mikes280 09-23-2011 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Wayniac (Post 3510533)
If both parties are unable to agree on a dyno, I'd like to suggest a test bed.....................maybe a 22' foot Stingray with a modified Alpha..........:party-smiley-004:

i love it :evilb:

GRH 09-23-2011 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 3510480)
maybe the right click on his mouse is stuck and it just keeps copy and pasting on it own?>?

I think its the modern version of the grade school defense method.... you remember "I'm rubber you're glue everything you say bounces off of me & sticks to you"

lmao.....

MILD THUNDER 09-23-2011 11:27 AM

I don't even know why we are going back and forth with this guy.

he makes all kinds of claims, but have'nt seen any of his engines, or anyone running one of his engines. We are talking about a 500-550hp 454 here. This guy calls Dave Wesseldyk at his shop to find out what correction factor he uses? Who the phuck are you to call out Dave Wesseldyk? That guy been building 1000+ hp blown marine motors while you were still whackin it to the pictures in hot rod magazine and buyin rapidfire plugs for your 1/2 ton chevy. I guarantee you that while your on here posting BS, Dave is either working on a turbine, rebuilding some arnesons, or dyno'ing a 1000HP blown engine, that will idle like a stock buick. Maybe he should put ditch the hemi heads on his psi blown charger, for some peanut port smog heads. Jacka$$.

You remind me of one of those toothless hillbillies that comes up to you while your launching your boat, and begins to tell you he has a boat that will probably outrun yours, out of the clear blue. You humor him and say what you have? He says something like a 23ft Chris craft with a built up 351 ford and a alpha. His cousin builds motors and really beefed his 351 up. Ok, wow, thats cool dude, have a nice day.

Take your 454 and peanut port heads and try to impress people somewhere else.

mikes280 09-23-2011 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3510580)
I don't even know why we are going back and forth with this guy.

he makes all kinds of claims, but have'nt seen any of his engines, or anyone running one of his engines. We are talking about a 500-550hp 454 here. This guy calls Dave Wesseldyk at his shop to find out what correction factor he uses? Who the phuck are you to call out Dave Wesseldyk? That guy been building 1000+ hp blown marine motors while you were still whackin it to the pictures in hot rod magazine and buyin rapidfire plugs for your 1/2 ton chevy. I guarantee you that while your on here posting BS, Dave is either working on a turbine, rebuilding some arnesons, or dyno'ing a 1000HP blown engine, that will idle like a stock buick. Maybe he should put ditch the hemi heads on his psi blown charger, for some peanut port smog heads. Jacka$$.

You remind me of one of those toothless hillbillies that comes up to you while your launching your boat, and begins to tell you he has a boat that will probably outrun yours, out of the clear blue. You humor him and say what you have? He says something like a 23ft Chris craft with a built up 351 ford and a alpha. His cousin builds motors and really beefed his 351 up. Ok, wow, thats cool dude, have a nice day.

Take your 454 and peanut port heads and try to impress people somewhere else.

i got a good idea of where he can put it:eek:

Raylar 09-23-2011 11:42 AM

"Desperate People Usually Resort to Desperate Acts!"

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

blue thunder 09-23-2011 11:53 AM

I want to run the 22 stingray in the testbed shootout....

You better put a #6 on there though, I break chit........:evilb:

FIXX 09-23-2011 01:04 PM

Fixx
 
Is this guy related to tripple digits????:lolhit::lolhit::coolcowboy::grinser010:

articfriends 09-23-2011 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by mrfixxall (Post 3510644)
Is this guy related to tripple digits????:lolhit::lolhit::coolcowboy::grinser010:

I'm thinking he is Roccards twin brother!!!!!:evilb:

RT930turbo 09-23-2011 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by Vortecpro (Post 3510468)
Called out by Bob Madera/ Haxby to an engine edurance test. Rules: 454 production block, 454 production heads, any thing else goes. Testing procedure: Haxby/Madera will make one HP dyno pull, then run at 6500 RPM for 20 minutes under full load. The water will then be changed and Vortecpro will follow the same test, which ever engine finishes the test will win, if both engines finish the (endurance test) the highest HP will win. Fuel will be 89 octane as speced by Haxby, 10,000 dollars will be held 30 days in advance (prior to the test) by Mike Lewis, winner takes all. The test shall be conducted at Westec in Ca.

In reading this thread (and the other) I was having trouble finding vortecPro's terms. Here they are, just in case anyone else missed them. :party-smiley-004: :party-smiley-004: :party-smiley-004:

blue thunder 09-23-2011 02:14 PM

I was wondering where the test was going to be run and for how long at what rpm? I haven't been able to locate that information anywhere. Anyone know? :grinser010:

innerrage 09-23-2011 02:14 PM

I bet 10,000 dollars, that he doesnt have 10,000 dollars or shop to put up,and monopoly money dont count.

endeavour32 09-23-2011 02:51 PM

QUOTE=blue thunder;3510694]I was wondering where the test was going to be run and for how long at what rpm? I haven't been able to locate that information anywhere. Anyone know? :grinser010:[/QUOTE]

I think it's going to be run on his (Mark Jones) fancy roll out dyno! Rules, what rules, anything goes with this show! :greenchainsaw:

DWES 09-23-2011 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3510580)
I don't even know why we are going back and forth with this guy.

he makes all kinds of claims, but have'nt seen any of his engines, or anyone running one of his engines. We are talking about a 500-550hp 454 here. This guy calls Dave Wesseldyk at his shop to find out what correction factor he uses? Who the phuck are you to call out Dave Wesseldyk? That guy been building 1000+ hp blown marine motors while you were still whackin it to the pictures in hot rod magazine and buyin rapidfire plugs for your 1/2 ton chevy. I guarantee you that while your on here posting BS, Dave is either working on a turbine, rebuilding some arnesons, or dyno'ing a 1000HP blown engine, that will idle like a stock buick. Maybe he should put ditch the hemi heads on his psi blown charger, for some peanut port smog heads. Jacka$$.

You remind me of one of those toothless hillbillies that comes up to you while your launching your boat, and begins to tell you he has a boat that will probably outrun yours, out of the clear blue. You humor him and say what you have? He says something like a 23ft Chris craft with a built up 351 ford and a alpha. His cousin builds motors and really beefed his 351 up. Ok, wow, thats cool dude, have a nice day.

Take your 454 and peanut port heads and try to impress people somewhere else.

That's funny.

Rattlesnake Jake 09-23-2011 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Vortecpro (Post 3510454)
Called out by Bob Madera/ Haxby to an engine edurance test. Rules: 454 production block, 454 production heads, any thing else goes. Testing procedure: Haxby/Madera will make one HP dyno pull, then run at 6500 RPM for 20 minutes under full load. The water will then be changed and Vortecpro will follow the same test, which ever engine finishes the test will win, if both engines finish the (endurance test) the highest HP will win. Fuel will be 89 octane as speced by Haxby, 10,000 dollars will be held 30 days in advance (prior to the test) by Mike Lewis, winner takes all. The test shall be conducted at Westec in Ca.

Mr. Vpro, go back and count the # of times you have posted the same "quote". I will be your friend and inform you that Zone 5 has multiple personalities and multiple screen names and is playing with your head. Hence the reason for you to post the same over and over. He has done this in the past to others. Stop and think why all the posts questioning your superior knowledge are basically all the same. Stay strong and keep posting your response. We are all having a lot of fun.

BTW. I'm one of zones characters..:evilb:

mikes280 09-23-2011 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Jake (Post 3510809)
Mr. Vpro, go back and count the # of times you have posted the same "quote". I will be your friend and inform you that Zone 5 has multiple personalities and multiple screen names and is playing with your head. Hence the reason for you to post the same over and over. He has done this in the past to others. Stop and think why all the posts questioning your superior knowledge are basically all the same. Stay strong and keep posting your response. We are all having a lot of fun.

BTW. I'm one of zones characters..:evilb:

LMAO:evilb::kiss:

JRider 09-23-2011 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by Vortecpro (Post 3510239)
Called out by Triple Digits/Roccard to an engine edurance test. Rules: 350 production block, 350 production heads, any thing else goes. Testing procedure: Triple Digits/Roccard will make one HP dyno pull, then run at 6500 RPM for 20 minutes under full load. The water will then be changed and Vortecpro will follow the same test, which ever engine finishes the test will win, if both engines finish the (endurance test) the highest HP will win. Fuel will be 89 octane as speced by Roccard, 10,000 dollars will be held 30 days in advance (prior to the test) by Chris Sunkin, winner takes all. The test shall be conducted at Jasper Engineering in Ca.

Man, this guy keeps changin things.

snapmorgan 09-23-2011 06:39 PM

Bob/Haxby, I have a somewhat tired 454 mag that i will donate, but after you beat the pants off this guy, I would like to have it back. I would even pay for the rest of the parts that VP's 10k won't cover.

articfriends 09-23-2011 07:12 PM

Quote:




Originally Posted by Vortecpro

Called out by Triple Digits/Roccard/vortec pro to an engine edurance test. Rules: 350 junkyard block, 265 small block heads, any thing else goes. Testing procedure: If they can get their motor to actually start, Triple Digits/Roccard/vortec pro will make one all-out HP dyno pull, while they are making their pull everyone will run for safety as not to be injured from the flying debris!!!! They will then run at 6500 RPM for 20 minutes (i highly doubt) under full load or until motor blows to smithereens. The oil, fuel, water and motor sharpnel and ensuing mess will then be cleaned up by the triple-trouble engine masters (Tripple digits,Roccard, Vortec pro). Their EXPERTISE will then show as they are ALL VERY familar with working as JANITORS. Bob Madera and Alex haxby will stay a safe distance away in case there is a FIRE after the motor exsplosion. They will laugh about their opponents follies and collect their winnings. If both engines finish then I do believe hell has frozen over!! the highest HP will win. Fuel will be 89 octane as speced by Roccard, 10,000 dollars will be held 30 days in advance (prior to the test) by Chris Sunkin and Fred Cecil, winner takes all. The test shall be conducted at PRI in Fla. After the triple losers clean their mess they will be beaten about the face and head by the mob crowd, for good reason!!!

phragle 09-23-2011 07:18 PM

I thought homeboys girlfriend bought the dyno for 6 grand and a stolen suv??


Dyno last seen on video survalance behind a red/black truck at a truckstop with the occupants consuming subway sandwhiches and slurpies. The dyno was partially covered by an Apache leather jacket and being offered for sale by a long donged duck with financing by jack hionis.

KAAMA 09-23-2011 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 3510650)
I'm thinking he is Roccards twin brother!!!!!:evilb:

Smitty---I was just thinking kinda the same!

Just catchin' up with all this---so, is this more of a CAM profile thing?---to see who's cam makes more HP in the same engine and still live? That would be interesting!

Anyway, You think Dave Wesseldyk aka "DWES" might know something about making reliable power in a marine engine?

I saw that a few people mentioned Dave's name here.....I think his shop would be an excellent place to have a dyno shootout (especially for endurance pulls) between Madara and this other guy.

Obviously, it's not really the shop, but the guy who runs the dyno and seriously, Dave is all about no hype or BS....and he will not let any BS squeek thru the cracks either!

I have always said Dave keeps a crying towel next to his dyno for customers who bring in their engines from other well known engine builders making BIG HP claims---or customers who have exaggerated/high expectant HP goals.

Of course this sounds like more of a comparison shootout, but if you're looking for an endurance test I think Wesseldyk's dyno is set up for it to happen.

Kidnova 09-23-2011 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by blue thunder (Post 3510597)
I want to run the 22 stingray in the testbed shootout....

You better put a #6 on there though, I break chit........:evilb:

Make it a pair of 23 Nova's and I'll donate my HLN as a test bed for the Bob Madara challenge engine (I drive it). Oh, hope the challange mill is nothing like the Bob Madara engine that's in the Nova now.... HLN gets out'a control when I take it over 80 mph !!

Coolerman 09-24-2011 01:57 AM

I feel like I stepped into the twilight zone after finding this thread......

TEXASRPM 09-24-2011 09:08 AM

What a thread?
 
:argue:

RW Tech 09-24-2011 09:13 AM

20 minutes isn't much of an endurance test......OEM crate engines are step tested from idle to redline for 50 hrs. and OEM production engine validation involves 200 hrs. at WOT/redline.

mikes280 09-24-2011 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by RW Tech (Post 3511140)
20 minutes isn't much of an endurance test......OEM crate engines are step tested from idle to redline for 50 hrs. and OEM production engine validation involves 200 hrs. at WOT/redline.

well we were trying to go easy on him :lolhit:

apollard 09-24-2011 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by RW Tech (Post 3511140)
20 minutes isn't much of an endurance test......OEM crate engines are step tested from idle to redline for 50 hrs. and OEM production engine validation involves 200 hrs. at WOT/redline.


Originally Posted by mikes280 (Post 3511143)
well we were trying to go easy on him :lolhit:

What chu talkin' bout Willis? 20 minutes at WOT is unrealistic - just ask him :bong:

jeffswav 09-24-2011 04:15 PM

This thread is a joke, Bob has more class than to smack talk. We know who the real pro is, too many of us use his cam. Bob would smoke you like a cheap joint :lolhit:

endeavour32 09-24-2011 04:34 PM

I'm pretty sure Mr. VortecPro has decided to run and hide as he always does. He's been very silent the past few days!:boat:

mikes280 09-24-2011 04:46 PM

he is busy selling motors on ebay

SB 09-24-2011 06:06 PM

Just got back from boating. Best time of the year for it as the water traffic is totally gone and they only keep a few police on patrol. No reason this time of year to pull back off the sticks. :ernaehrung004:

Which brings up 50% of why this thread suks . Was started from a big rude mouthed person that doesn't boat let alone enjoy them. We know the other 50% why it suks.

What is up with that ?

Maybe he is on NBA Players . com tring to get Shaq and Dwight Howard to play him one on one.

innerrage 09-24-2011 06:45 PM

i wish they made peanut port heads for small blocks. maybe vortec could cut me a set from a block of cast iron ,HMMMMMM:lolhit:

nitrousnolan 09-24-2011 06:59 PM

http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/donkey1.gif

articfriends 09-24-2011 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by innerrage (Post 3511411)
i wish they made peanut port heads for small blocks. maybe vortec could cut me a set from a block of steel ,HMMMMMM:lolhit:

They made some small block peanut ports, were used on the 262, the crappiest small block ever built, had extra small valves/ports in the head, only made 110HP!!!!! Oh Shiit, now V-pro is going to be on here telling us about how much power he is making with them next!!!:eek:, Smitty

Vortecpro 09-24-2011 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by endeavour32 (Post 3511346)
I'm pretty sure Mr. VortecPro has decided to run and hide as he always does. He's been very silent the past few days!:boat:

Yes Ive been quiet, Friday I called Bob to bust his balls, and after talking to Bob, and getting my ass chewed, Bobs enthusiasm for engines made me realize he likes engines just like myself, I shouldnt be holding a grudge because my dyno numbers were questioned, so I aplogize to the forum and Bob, and you to Bill, I was out of line. So theres still some question about the dyno numbers, Bob you told me to present you with the data so you can decide if the numbers are right, I would very much like to take you up on that, I would appreciate it.

Zone 5 09-25-2011 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by Vortecpro (Post 3511425)
Yes Ive been quiet, Friday I called Bob to bust his balls, and after talking to Bob, and getting my ass chewed, Bobs enthusiasm for engines made me realize he likes engines just like myself, I shouldnt be holding a grudge because my dyno numbers were questioned, so I aplogize to the forum and Bob, and you to Bill, I was out of line. So theres still some question about the dyno numbers, Bob you told me to present you with the data so you can decide if the numbers are right, I would very much like to take you up on that, I would appreciate it.

Too bad Bill never posted on this thread. but I'll be more than happy to pass on to him that you are and were an idiot and now that everyone sees it you are sorry that you proved it. Course he already knew it.:signs043:


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