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n20michael 10-02-2011 01:37 AM

Underwater LED
 
I have a 24ft Outlaw and I am thinking of adding underwater LED lights. I know the Ocean LED are supposed to be very good, but, there are a pile of manufactures. Any idea how many would be needed for a boat my size? Are the rect. style better than the round ones? I boat mainly in the St Lawrence River and its pretty murky. I have also seen LED's that mount on the trim tabs, anyone tried them?

All input appreciated! (-:

Michael

n20michael 10-02-2011 01:20 PM

Anyone???

Advantage 575 10-02-2011 07:57 PM

I used the Ocean LED and i'm very happy with them. I used two six light AMP rectangular style on each side of the drive down low. I then used two three light above each trim tab. The reflection at idle is very bright. But on plane the lighting is truly awesome. They completely glow the wake for at least 50'

happy hours 10-03-2011 08:43 PM

Check out Shadow-Casters, uber bright and nicely made. There are several old posts about LEDs, do some digging for more info.

n20michael 10-04-2011 01:13 AM

I checked out Shadow Casters, but, no prices? If anyone on here "Deals" in Underwater LED's let me know, I do like the Shadow Casters, they look REALLY well made, thanks for the Tip!

Michael

Irvinglu86 10-04-2011 02:32 AM

Basically The underwater lighting is available in the equator, Conus, convex plate series and is designed to use the latest LED lighting technology. Series equator is another world first is a compact ultra-thin LED underwater light with integrated driver. The most important feature is that it can be installed on the stern and both sides of the hull below the waterline. The thickness is only 9 mm, and install the maximum equator. diameter hole in the hull is 8 mm.The light is already patented and registered design to the Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market (OHIM). The final colored version of the series equator can change the color of the light manually or automatically by the specter of the whole arc. Design the most advanced electronics with built-in microprocessor enables the network connection and simple control of the entire group of lights dimming.

n20michael 10-04-2011 02:55 AM


Originally Posted by Irvinglu86 (Post 3519145)
Basically The underwater lighting is available in the equator, Conus, convex plate series and is designed to use the latest LED lighting technology. Series equator is another world first is a compact ultra-thin LED underwater light with integrated driver. The most important feature is that it can be installed on the stern and both sides of the hull below the waterline. The thickness is only 9 mm, and install the maximum equator. diameter hole in the hull is 8 mm.The light is already patented and registered design to the Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market (OHIM). The final colored version of the series equator can change the color of the light manually or automatically by the specter of the whole arc. Design the most advanced electronics with built-in microprocessor enables the network connection and simple control of the entire group of lights dimming.

I googled the LED's and they look impressive to say the least, unfortunately I assume the price will reflect that. Are you a dealer? Can you direct me to one? Thanks for the info they look VERY nice!

Michael

Secret Formula 10-28-2011 06:49 AM

If the your St. Lawrence is as murky as the St. Johns I boat on, underwater lighting is all but useless. I'd say at a minimum double the number the lights you think you might need.

nitrousnolan 10-28-2011 07:16 AM

Lumitec
 
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Ok I went through the samething you are, then I found these. 1st all you need is a 5/16" hole through the hull and a 1/2" pilot hole. You can get this set up 3 lights in White/ Blue/ or White-Blue and put them in yourself for under $900. This pic is at Bonnie Castle with "Blue" on. I can get you these if you would like, we are a dealer Thanks and good luck.

mr3dman 10-28-2011 07:48 AM

Bought a few of these. Not a huge company but they are made from S.S. and bright, great pricing too.

http://h2olights.com/

fountainfan42 10-28-2011 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by mr3dman (Post 3538382)
Bought a few of these. Not a huge company but they are made from S.S. and bright, great pricing too.

http://h2olights.com/

did you drill below the waterline ? what sealant ??
thnx:drink:

mr3dman 10-28-2011 08:22 AM

I drilled a 1/4" hole for the power lead, pre drilled the mounting holes and sealed exerything inside and out with 3m5200

fountainfan42 10-28-2011 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by mr3dman (Post 3538415)
I drilled a 1/4" hole for the power lead, pre drilled the mounting holes and sealed exerything inside and out with 3m5200

cool sounds pretty cut & dry :drink:

brivander 10-28-2011 01:10 PM

http://coastalnightlights.com/

These are fairly cheap but work awesome -- I didn't drill all the way through, I just ran them up through the speedo pick-up hole above the waterline that was already there, and secured them just into the wood and sealed them. Just used the two smaller ones, and they light it up behind the boat GREAT. I'm in the Detroit River/Lake Erie area and for swimming at night they are awesome even in the murky water they light up about 20feet behind the boat, I'm sure it would be much further in clearer water. They match well too since they are white, I've had TONS of comments when I come pulling back in at night with them on and the front docking lights on.

1/2 amp draw....gotta love LED's

On plane it's phenomenal even though it's technically not legal.

bonesmalon 10-29-2011 08:46 AM

under water LED
 
Nitrousnolan...for the pic you attached what is the hardware creating the light (manufacturer, model, quantity used, mounting location, depth of mount from surface) I'm looking at at some to my 37 AT and trying to get a feeling for what you get for certain lights. You go to a show and they blind you in a tap water plexiglass tank but whats that going to look like in real water!

pstorti 10-30-2011 09:00 AM

I would say Lumitec or Shadow Caster are the best. Ocean led are not that bright. Lumitec are very expensive, Shadow Caster are cheaper than the lumitec but still not cheap. They have both at the Ft lauderdale show, Shadow caster just came out with a 4 color version for $899 each very bright and well made, and the regular single color model is $599 each.

THEJOKER 10-30-2011 09:22 AM

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Here are Shadow Casters on our 41 cc.

pstorti 10-30-2011 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by THEJOKER (Post 3539635)
Here are Shadow Casters on our 41 cc.

Looks great how many lights is that?

THEJOKER 10-30-2011 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by pstorti (Post 3539876)
Looks great how many lights is that?

2 underwater

n20michael 11-01-2011 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by THEJOKER (Post 3539635)
Here are Shadow Casters on our 41 cc.

WOW, that looks killer, they must look pretty cool behind the wake from those outboards!

THANKS Guys for all the input, I will digest the info and see what works best, I only have a small [24ft] boat, if I had a 90ft Sunseeker then price would probably be "no object" but, sadly it IS! LOL

I appreciate the links and info!

Happy Halloween!

Michael

n20michael 11-01-2011 12:04 AM

[QUOTE=nitrousnolan;3538358]Ok I went through the samething you are, then I found these. 1st all you need is a 5/16" hole through the hull and a 1/2" pilot hole. You can get this set up 3 lights in White/ Blue/ or White-Blue and put them in yourself for under $900. This pic is at Bonnie Castle with "Blue" on. I can get you these if you would like, we are a dealer Thanks and good luck.[/QUOT

I will be in touch! Probably be a late winter/early Spring Project, I am on Wolfe Island and usually run the river from Cape Vincent to A Bay, Thanks!

Michael

richanton 11-24-2011 06:11 PM

Joker, which Shadow Caster model did you go with? Those look pretty freaking bright! Also, where do you buy them?

Captain YARRR 11-24-2011 08:54 PM

Wow, most of those manufacturer sites are awesome...I think I know what I want for Christmas. Does drilling in the hull concern anyone?

Brown48 11-26-2011 01:19 AM

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$120.00 + actual shipping costs.
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Perfect Storm 12-02-2011 09:18 PM

Color-Change Underwater LED Boat Lights
 
Check these LED Lights out... A friend of mine took this video with his smart phone. It's not the best quality video, but it's pretty cool... http://www.youtube.com/v/2mzo7lz2pRc


These lights are made by Lumishore and they come with a controller which allows you to choose from six pre-set colors or you can custom mix your own!

I was obsessed with installing underwater LED's on my boat last year and I spent countless hours on the internet researching all the available lights and IMO none of the other lights out there come close to these Lumishores in brightness and quality of manufacturing... Not to mention that they are the only underwater LED's available that give you so many choices of color simply by pushing a button on a controller.

brivander 12-02-2011 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by Perfect Storm (Post 3562925)
Check these LED Lights out... A friend of mine took this video with his smart phone. It's not the best quality video, but it's pretty cool... http://www.youtube.com/v/2mzo7lz2pRc


These lights are made by Lumishore and they come with a controller which allows you to choose from six pre-set colors or you can custom mix your own!

I was obsessed with installing underwater LED's on my boat last year and I spent countless hours on the internet researching all the available lights and IMO none of the other lights out there come close to these Lumishores in brightness and quality of manufacturing... Not to mention that they are the only underwater LED's available that give you so many choices of color simply by pushing a button on a controller.

Maybe it's the video, but in all honesty they don't look very bright. How many lumens are they? Selecting between colors is nice though.

EDIT: Holy dear lord is this price typical? http://www.amazon.com/Lumishore-Thru.../dp/B0053NN33U

Perfect Storm 12-03-2011 06:30 AM

Keep in mind that the video was shot before it was totally dark outside, and the water in the Niagara River can be a little murky and the lights still look awesome! The darker the sky and the clearer the water ~ the brighter the lights will appear. Also, certain colors reflect far more light than others... the white, green, cyan and blue illuminate further than the red.

While the boat is on plane and at cruising speed, friends of mine who have been on the water at night and have seen me go by told me that the light in the rooster tail is as long as my boat.

These are the lights on my boat... They cost about $3000.00 including the controller.

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/...NSKI/22113.jpg

Drivelite x90 Color-Change Plus

Specification/Features
•3 channel Multi wavelength 90-watt HICOB Array (36 watts per channel, Peak power 90watts per device).
•Individually adjustable channels to display your color of choice.
•Quick select of 6 preset color options, Blue, Cyan, White, Magenta, Green or Red
•Auto cycle mode lets the system create the visual display for you.
•4 fishing/ fish attraction modes, alter the flash frequency and color of light depending on your fishing or viewing conditions.
•Precision machined Marine grade stainless steel body and fixtures.
•Interchangeable trim-tab mounting bracket (see accessories).
•12 or 24volt options.
•Current draw per unit; ◦Max current per channel; 2.5Amps@12V, 1.25Amps@24V.
◦Average current in auto and fishing mode; 2.5Amps@12V, 1.25Amps@24V.
◦Peak current (all channels set to max) 7.5Amps@12V, 3.75Amps @24V.

•No Holes drilled through the hull below the waterline.

RunninHotRacing163.1 12-03-2011 09:05 AM

Maybe its just me for 3k not very impressive unless the water is that dark and murky




ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!
ITS A SKATER NATION !!!!!!!!!!!!

brivander 12-03-2011 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing163.1 (Post 3563188)
Maybe its just me for 3k not very impressive unless the water is that dark and murky

ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!
ITS A SKATER NATION !!!!!!!!!!!!

My stuff is fairly disposable but it was like $200 and they APPEAR brighter, $3k is outside my budget, I'm just a lowly engineer :(

I haven't secured my stuff permanently yet, but for the prices I've seen for some of the brands I can afford a spare set...or 10 :)

I boat in the Detroit River area, about as murky as it gets...they are certainly not of this quality, though $3k for lights seems crazy, but I'd guess that's because I have a $10k boat, on a $60-100k boat it makes more sense :)

http://www.coastalnightlights.com/

Perfect Storm 12-03-2011 08:02 PM

Keep in mind that this was filmed with a cell-phone, not a high def. video camera, so a lot of the light illumination that the eye can see is lost. To see some high def. video of these lights and what they really look like, check-out Lumishore's website.

As I mentioned in a previous post, the rooster tail illumination behind my boat is 35 feet long when the boat is on-plane at cruising speed... not too shabby. Next year I plan on taking some high def. video from a boat running parallel to mine.

As far as the cost, I had NO plans to spend that much when I started my search for underwater LED lights, (!) but NO other company made purple underwater LED's not to mention all the other colors available at the push of a button.

Also, the fact that I didn't have to drill into my transom to install these lights kind of sealed the deal for me!

Those other brands of LED's mentioned in this thread including the coastals DO look pretty bright and the prices are even better, but unfortunately for me, I had to have purple.

You guys don't have to try to convince me that I'm crazy for spending that kind of $$$ on underwater lights for my boat... I KNOW I'm nuts! :crazy:

brivander 12-03-2011 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Perfect Storm (Post 3563618)
Keep in mind that this was filmed with a cell-phone, not a high def. video camera, so a lot of the light illumination that the eye can see is lost. To see some high def. video of these lights and what they really look like, check-out Lumishore's website.

As I mentioned in a previous post, the rooster tail illumination behind my boat is 35 feet long when the boat is on-plane at cruising speed... not too shabby. Next year I plan on taking some high def. video from a boat running parallel to mine.

As far as the cost, I had NO plans to spend that much when I started my search for underwater LED lights, (!) but NO other company made purple underwater LED's not to mention all the other colors available at the push of a button.

Also, the fact that I didn't have to drill into my transom to install these lights kind of sealed the deal for me!

Those other brands of LED's mentioned in this thread including the coastals DO look pretty bright and the prices are even better, but unfortunately for me, I had to have purple.

You guys don't have to try to convince me that I'm crazy for spending that kind of $$$ on underwater lights for my boat... I KNOW I'm nuts! :crazy:


Dude, no doubt on the video, I took some video with my phone of mine and everyone thought, wow, that's not very impressive...then they get on the boat and are amazed. And hey if you have the coin to do it and it meets your needs, don't let us bottom feeders bring you down ;)

If you are happy that's all that matters, and the colors they offer are pretty sweet, I get white, and white, and white, and if the water is REALLY muddy that day a light brown :)

launchpad475 02-11-2012 07:59 PM

Love my Ocean LED A6's, about $400 each-

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...5/IMG_0409.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...5/IMG_1799.jpg

n20michael 02-12-2012 03:47 PM

Have you guys tried the style that bolt directly to the top of trim tabs?

I am suprised with the number of sharp guys on this board with mechanical and/or business experience [in some cases both] no one has designed there own underwater lights? It would really only take a waterproof housing and some good LED's, which I have seen "dirt" cheap from a few offshore suppliers and you could "corner the market", its beyond what I could do, but, just puttin' it out there....

Michael

JTeam 02-12-2012 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by Perfect Storm (Post 3563618)
Those other brands of LED's mentioned in this thread including the coastals DO look pretty bright and the prices are even better, but unfortunately for me, I had to have purple.

You guys don't have to try to convince me that I'm crazy for spending that kind of $$$ on underwater lights for my boat... I KNOW I'm nuts! :crazy:

Just a simple case of the "Gotta Have Its". I always tell my wife, you never see a Brinks truck following the hearse.

brivander 02-12-2012 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by n20michael (Post 3615865)
Have you guys tried the style that bolt directly to the top of trim tabs?

I am suprised with the number of sharp guys on this board with mechanical and/or business experience [in some cases both] no one has designed there own underwater lights? It would really only take a waterproof housing and some good LED's, which I have seen "dirt" cheap from a few offshore suppliers and you could "corner the market", its beyond what I could do, but, just puttin' it out there....

Michael

Not everyone boats at night, and not everyone has trim tabs would be my guess. The trim tab lights seem sweet, but alas, no tabs...yet...

Perfect Storm 02-13-2012 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by JTeam (Post 3615933)
Just a simple case of the "Gotta Have Its". I always tell my wife, you never see a Brinks truck following the hearse.

:lolhit: Funny you should say that... my 1st car was a hearse. I'm a 4th generation funeral director and, you're right... I've NEVER seen a Brinks truck in the rear view mirror! ;)

low_psi 02-13-2012 10:24 PM

Anyone know who manufactures red underwater LEDs? I would like to match the underwater transom lights with my red led cockpit lights.........

pstorti 02-13-2012 10:34 PM

shadow caster

whoya 02-14-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by n20michael (Post 3615865)
Have you guys tried the style that bolt directly to the top of trim tabs?

I am suprised with the number of sharp guys on this board with mechanical and/or business experience [in some cases both] no one has designed there own underwater lights? It would really only take a waterproof housing and some good LED's, which I have seen "dirt" cheap from a few offshore suppliers and you could "corner the market", its beyond what I could do, but, just puttin' it out there....

Michael

My first prototype in Lake Erie's murky water. Im working on something even better.

whoya 02-14-2012 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by low_psi (Post 3617019)
Anyone know who manufactures red underwater LEDs? I would like to match the underwater transom lights with my red led cockpit lights.........

The brightness on red in the water you might not be happy with. If you boat in the ocean it will be better.
Its the color spectrum and water makes that color hard.


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