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Old 01-05-2012, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by sutphen 30
afr 385 cnc'd.
Like these?
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Originally Posted by articfriends
Kaama, you want a super smooth idle with 14-71's and dual 4bbl dominators???? What you will end up doing is shortchanging your top end hp by using a comprimised cam design in search of the kinda idle I know that you are looking for, the 70's came and went, BUY EFI, Smitty
Yeah Steve, I really appreciate the advice on the EFI, but guess I'll just have to eat a little dirt on this one and if that means sacrificing a little top end power for good idle/drivability then so be it. I think you know me well enough that I am not trying to set any world records. I have always said that I am just a weekend warrior. I could probably swing it, but have some financial commitments at the moment----just tryin' to get my lil' puddle jumper in the water for now, bro. I will have that EFI stuff one day soon enough! I could aalso dry sump my drives too, but a little here and a little there is how it will happen for me.
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Originally Posted by HaxbySpeed
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Dang Hax,----how many heads come in one box??? You must have a lot of work to do for the winter!
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Hey Mark, I dont think you will be dissapointed in the carbed roots setup.

My buddy built a set of blower engines last year, 509CI, 238/248 112LSA cams, 8-71 mooneyhams, superchiller intercoolers. Engines dynoed about 800HP and 800FT lbs give or take a few. Idles good, no plug fouling or stalling around the dock.

I ran almost the same cam as him ,in my smaller 460CI engines, 250 blowers with single dominator. Intially i had them setup with 12* base timing, and a 18* advance. They would puke when put into gear cold. Locked them at 30*, much better. Idle all day, no fouled plugs, no stalling.

From what ive seen, if properly tuned setup, the supercharged setup seems to idle/start better than the same setup N/A. Fire up with a slight blip of the key.

Granted you'll have larger blowers, and larger carbs, but also larger engines.
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I had the 532" 14-71 with EFI. Solid roller. Dart Pro1. Great engine by JC Performance. But we had some brain failure once and runned it on low octan... Since we had the new build 572ci 4.2L screw the 532ci engine went to a new owner in Finland.

I know the tech guys here got lot knowledge and will put you in the right direction. But I have to say the 14-71 roots was a real hardcore blower


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The 572ci/1095hp and the JC 532ci/930hp
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Kaama, I didn't take offense at all. I thought maybe you knew something I didn't. As far as the bigger head is concerned it has a 2.35 intake in it whereas the 357 has a 2.30. I have been told that valve is good for a few more hp. So, I thought if I could step up why not?
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Originally Posted by HaxbySpeed
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just like that,need i post ours.they look the same.
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Originally Posted by KAAMA

I actually thought a 357cc AFR would be good on a 604cid supercharged engine, but as I have been known to say from time to time; what do I know?---I just kill bugs for a living.
they were alright,made 1066hp,1076tq at a correction factor of .98%.we want a solid 1200hp,so a head change is in order,plus a better cam.
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Originally Posted by sutphen 30
they were alright,made 1066hp,1076tq at a correction factor of .98%.we want a solid 1200hp,so a head change is in order,plus a better cam.
What peak RPM's were you turning with the 357's AFR's?....and do you plan on turning the same peak RPM's with the 385's? Hydraulic or solid roller on both?

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Kaama, I didn't take offense at all. I thought maybe you knew something I didn't.
Ok, wasn't sure I was reading you right. And as far as me knowing something you didn't---hey, I'm still in the classroom with a learning curve on much of this blower and head stuff.
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
Hey Mark, I dont think you will be dissapointed in the carbed roots setup.

From what ive seen, if properly tuned setup, the supercharged setup seems to idle/start better than the same setup N/A. Fire up with a slight blip of the key.
Thanks for the input. It's interesting to hear about other examples/set-ups with the roots, etc.
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