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supermx96 01-06-2012 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3587517)
If your going to the aluminum head, I'd get the compression up. The stock 7.5 or so to one is pretty dismal. 8.5:1 with the aluminum heads is good.

Sounds like your on the right track, but no way 700HP with the stock blower and 7.5:1.

I can tell you this. I ran 460CI, dart race series alum heads, mild port work, 308cc intake runners, hyd roller 236/245 114LSA, compression was about 8.3:1. With the 177 blower, I was turning the blower at 2:15:1 overdriven. Making about 4.5-5psi. I then went to a 250 blower, drove it at 1.68:1 overdriven, gave me 5psi. 1.8:1 gave me 7psi.

On my engines, if i wanted 7psi, I probably would have had to drive the small 177 to 2.3:1. Turning the engines to 5500RPM, thats almost 13000 rpm blower speed. Talk about a heat pump. The bearings probably wouldnt last long, and the added boost would really do nothing for power.

The more cam, better flowing heads, will drop the boost psi. Once you start getting into that stuff, you outgrow the small blower quickly.

To get near 700HP, I'd say 250/256 blower, up the compression, 7-8psi with a chiller. Im currently rebuilding mine, H-beam rods, JE pistons, and adding 8-71s. If i get 700-725HP at 5500-5700rpm I'll be happy.

Do you have full spec or the parts no of your cam?

MILD THUNDER 01-06-2012 10:44 PM

288/298 .629/.632

intake opens 8.0* btdc
intake closes 48* abdc
exhaust opens 61 bbdc
closes 5* atdc

114lsa

its a custom hyd roller cam for a supercharged 454

supermx96 01-06-2012 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3587548)
288/298 .629/.632

intake opens 8.0* btdc
intake closes 48* abdc
exhaust opens 61 bbdc
closes 5* atdc

114lsa

its a custom hyd roller cam for a supercharged 454

The one i am locking

@.050

intake open 6 btdc

intake close 44 abdc

exhaust open 57 bbdc

exhaust close 1 btdc

230/236 duration

109/119 max lift

114 lsa

This a Crane Cam recomandation i dont know if i can find better for now with my setup (177 blower)

Griff 01-06-2012 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by supermx96 (Post 3587480)
I am in rebuilt now of mine, I have swap the rod for Callies Compstar H Beam, .030 oversize with block valve notch, Speed Pro forged piston, new aluminum Hedelbrock Performer RPM head 45 cfm more than the stock head, Crane costom grind 114lsa with less overlap 67 deg than the stock one 74 deg to keep the boost in the cylinder, estimate comp ratio at 7.5:1 - 7.6:1.

I will possibly get a porting job on the head for an extra 30 cfm or so.

I estimate at least 650HP possibly 700hp if i am lucky.

I think i will be able to keep the boost at 5.5 with the stock pulley due to less overlap on the cam and smaller intake runner 315cc instead the 325 or 335 stock.

The stock cam is very not good for this surpercharger setup.

I keep the comp ratio low for a bigger blower in future and boost arond 7 with a 250 or 671 blower.

Like was already said, more than 600hp with the stock 177 blower, stock boost and comp ratio is not gonna happen.

supermx96 01-06-2012 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 3587558)
Like was already said, more than 600hp with the stock 177 blower, stock boost and comp ratio is not gonna happen.

I think with the right cam for this litle 177 is posible to get 650hp not sure with the stock or with smaller pulley i have one with 2.85 dia, i know that my comp ratio is low for aluminum head but i think the benefit of higner boost is better than puting up the comp ratio, i know this litle blower make more heat than a biger one but for this year i will try it, the bigger blower is in project for future.

The only reason i want to keep the CR low is for the benefit of the higner boost (around 7 with no intercooler) of the future larger blower.

MILD THUNDER 01-06-2012 11:36 PM

7lbs of boost with a aluminum head is not a problem at 8.5:1, using the right blower. Add a chiller and get even more. Aluminum heads are superior in that they dissapate the heat so much better than cast iron.

You are actually better off running a bit higher static compression with a small blower. You wont have to drive it so hard to make decent boost.

If your running the 7" drive pulley, with a 2.85" upper, thats 2.45:1 blower ratio. If your propped for 5500RPM, , thats 13,500 blower rpm. I believe weiand stated no more than 13000 rpm with those blowers, and thats mainly on the street. 13500rpm for sustained wot runs in a boat, i'd be nervous about it.

supermx96 01-06-2012 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3587573)
7lbs of boost with a aluminum head is not a problem at 8.5:1, using the right blower. Add a chiller and get even more. Aluminum heads are superior in that they dissapate the heat so much better than cast iron.

You are actually better off running a bit higher static compression with a small blower. You wont have to drive it so hard to make decent boost.

If your running the 7" drive pulley, with a 2.85" upper, thats 2.45:1 blower ratio. If your propped for 5500RPM, , thats 13,500 blower rpm. I believe weiand stated no more than 13000 rpm with those blowers, and thats mainly on the street. 13500rpm for sustained wot runs in a boat, i'd be nervous about it.

I have email Weiand about 177 marine max rpm he have tell me no more 14000 rpm I know this is very fast at between 13000-13500 rpm. I dont drive at wot long time mostly cruise at 3500- 4000 engine rpm

ezstriper 01-07-2012 08:22 AM

as far as for cams, contact Bob @ marine kinetics in the process of helping do a pair of 98 525SC's right..can't believe merc in the infinate wisdom went with flat tappet cams even as late as 98...Bob doing up new cams and valve train as we speak...he is the man to talk to on cams/valve train !!

JD33 01-09-2012 02:23 PM

What is the dia. of the stock pulley for these blowers?

I'm pretty sure mine have not been changed but just want to be sure.

Griff 01-09-2012 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by JD33 (Post 3589395)
What is the dia. of the stock pulley for these blowers?

I'm pretty sure mine have not been changed but just want to be sure.

They are set up at a 2:1 overdriven. Pretty sure the stock top is 3.5" and the lower is 7".


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