Water/Methanol injection
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I like the components from AIS- http://www.alcoholinjectionsystems.com/index.html
Talk to Rodney, they can set you up, and have complete bolt in kits with everything you need. Spraying into the top of the blower will dramatically lower your air temp. On a setup like yours I'd probably knock the timing down to 33-34 max, and have the water meth come in at 2lbs boost. Should have no problems running 89 on a setup like that. The nice thing about these kits in a boat is there's usually enough room for a decent sized tank. You can even set it up to run straight water. It doesn't have the same power potential as water meth, but it will keep your engine's safe.
Talk to Rodney, they can set you up, and have complete bolt in kits with everything you need. Spraying into the top of the blower will dramatically lower your air temp. On a setup like yours I'd probably knock the timing down to 33-34 max, and have the water meth come in at 2lbs boost. Should have no problems running 89 on a setup like that. The nice thing about these kits in a boat is there's usually enough room for a decent sized tank. You can even set it up to run straight water. It doesn't have the same power potential as water meth, but it will keep your engine's safe.
Alex, how would you compare the cooling effects of water/meth to say an intercooler on a roots blower? I see the car guys seem to be getting some pretty cold IAT temps with meth injection.
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I know that backing off the timing will hurt exhaust valves and dont want that. I dont have knock sensors on a tb4 so i cant take timing out that way.
The intercooler is the way to go but getting 3 is a bit much for the odd time when i need gas and there isnt any 92 available for the way home. I dont run wide open when this happens and i try to keep the revs down to avoid boost. Just looking for detonation insurance. Anyone know how much additive is needed to raise octane level from 89 to 92.
Entec racing was a engine shop in scarborough that rebuilds for mercury and i think they do a lot of performance work too. Also, Raymond at Double R on highway 11 north of Barrie has everything a performance boater needs.
The intercooler is the way to go but getting 3 is a bit much for the odd time when i need gas and there isnt any 92 available for the way home. I dont run wide open when this happens and i try to keep the revs down to avoid boost. Just looking for detonation insurance. Anyone know how much additive is needed to raise octane level from 89 to 92.
Entec racing was a engine shop in scarborough that rebuilds for mercury and i think they do a lot of performance work too. Also, Raymond at Double R on highway 11 north of Barrie has everything a performance boater needs.
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Snow performance has a kit claiming to be ideal for blower motors and have the same effect as going from 93 to 116 octane and adding 50-70 hp. Seen it in some magazine i had on the airplane and it caught my attention. I known its a great way to lower temps and add a little power with a diesel but if its everything they say for blown gasser i might have to look into it.
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I have used water/alcohol injection a long time ago ('85) on a small non intercooled motor similar to the 525s, we had a 3 gallon tank that was pressurized by the blower (More boost more tank pressure) used a Hobbs switch that closed at 2LBS letting the mixture flow, more boost more liquid to the motor, ran 30* total timing (not Locked) boost ref carbs, and it was pretty much a bullet proof set up as far as detonation was concerned. Inexpensive alternative to a good intercooler, but back then it was the only choice. That being said if one could swing it, I would have to suggest using an intercooler.
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Im gonna be installing IAT gauges on my setup this year. I want to get some baseline temp numbers, and see if any cooling effect would be worth it. I am pretty maxed out on power with my setup from a reliability standpoint, but should still be interesting to see the numbers.
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as stated in my earlier reply, tried one from cooling mist, never could get it to flow the correct amount so not to kill RPM, took it off and run it with 2 huge nozzles on my X275 turbo drag car..works awesome there(ls1 25psi on E85, NO intercooler), but if you can fine tune the water flow you can run more boost/timing with it with lower octane...now that we did our own EFI setup on the boat would like to try the meth inj again...



