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Seahawk 2000 05-03-2013 09:07 PM

Erratic Vaccuum readings
 
Checked everything: compression, valve adjustment, ignition, fuel everything works.

When I start, vacuum is good then about 20 seconds later It go's crazy shakey and low. Stop let sit 2 min's start again and same thing.

What is it?

GPM 05-03-2013 09:41 PM

Carb or EFI, crossed plug wire.

Seahawk 2000 05-03-2013 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 3918575)
Carb or EFI, crossed plug wire.

250 blower with 2 holley 850.

please explain crossed!

GPM 05-04-2013 06:47 AM

2 cylinders firing out of order, spark plug wires are on wrong cylinders, still idles, vacuum dances all over the place, power is down pulling out. just a guess.

Seahawk 2000 05-04-2013 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 3918702)
2 cylinders firing out of order, spark plug wires are on wrong cylinders, still idles, vacuum dances all over the place, power is down pulling out. just a guess.

If a plug wire was crossed the bad idle would consistent.

My idle starts good and then go's bad in 20 sconds. Would a crossed plug wire do that?

MILD THUNDER 05-04-2013 04:47 PM

Is this a new build? Maybe a lifter (or several) adjusted too tight. When they pump up, the valves are hanging open. Or broken valve springs

commandersander 05-04-2013 05:31 PM

Could be a leak. Spray brake kleen (non chlorinated ) around all vac ports (like the boost port for gauge) and see if revs jump up. Also try around base of blower and intake....

GPM 05-04-2013 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Seahawk 2000 (Post 3918818)
If a plug wire was crossed the bad idle would consistent.

My idle starts good and then go's bad in 20 sconds. Would a crossed plug wire do that?

No probably not, any black smoke when it's doing this ?

MILD THUNDER 05-04-2013 07:34 PM

Does the engine sound like its missing at idle and shaking? Or is it just revving up and down like blower surge?

mrv8outboard 05-06-2013 07:57 AM

Restricted exhaust?

Seahawk 2000 05-06-2013 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3919023)
Does the engine sound like its missing at idle and shaking? Or is it just revving up and down like blower surge?

Missing, for sure I can feel each header tube and the front two are cold and I have spark.

Seahawk 2000 05-06-2013 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by mrv8outboard (Post 3919824)
Restricted exhaust?

Checked headers, all OK.

Seahawk 2000 05-06-2013 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 3918946)
Is this a new build? Maybe a lifter (or several) adjusted too tight. When they pump up, the valves are hanging open. Or broken valve springs

Checked all valves and compression is good.

Seahawk 2000 05-06-2013 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 3918702)
2 cylinders firing out of order, spark plug wires are on wrong cylinders, still idles, vacuum dances all over the place, power is down pulling out. just a guess.

Wires are correct and swapped with other good motor.

abones 05-06-2013 09:43 PM

Not much more to check Maybe the front carb is screwed up causing those cyls to either run lean or flood? seems to be a very odd set of symtoms. keep us posted

GPM 05-06-2013 10:12 PM

Float needs adjusted, carbs over flowing, just a thought.

Young Performance 05-06-2013 11:17 PM

Typically when a vacuum gauge is erratic, there is a problem in the valvetrain. Either a rocker is out of adjustment, a lifter has collapsed, pushrod out of the rocker, etc. Pull the valve covers and start looking. I would bet that you will find your problem.
Eddie

Seahawk 2000 05-07-2013 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by abones (Post 3920414)
Not much more to check Maybe the front carb is screwed up causing those cyls to either run lean or flood? seems to be a very odd set of symtoms. keep us posted

Swapped carbs with good motor, no change

Seahawk 2000 05-07-2013 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 3920459)
Float needs adjusted, carbs over flowing, just a thought.

Swapped carb with good motor, no change.

Seahawk 2000 05-07-2013 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 3920495)
Typically when a vacuum gauge is erratic, there is a problem in the valvetrain. Either a rocker is out of adjustment, a lifter has collapsed, pushrod out of the rocker, etc. Pull the valve covers and start looking. I would bet that you will find your problem.
Eddie

Compression is good and I checked and adjusted the valves.

Remember, it starts out with a good idle and go's bad.

I noticed a tiny drop of water on the spark plug when I pulled it out so I pulled the header and there was small amounts of water in each pipe (tea spoon). I'm thinking it was reverting water when the idle dropped down lower. So I swapped headers with the good motor and same bad idle. Could it be that there is a crack or blown head gasket that when the cylinder warms up the crack or leak opens and lets moisture in and shuts down the spark plug.

MEANGREEN231 05-07-2013 01:44 PM

If you are certain you have eliminated leaking exhausts, then it sounds like a headgasket issue. unless you left water in the motor and it froze over the winter possibly cracking the heads and or the cylinder bores.

It seems really odd that just the front two are having issues.

could you post a video link of it happening from smooth startup to when it starts missing? You tube or something...

Seahawk 2000 05-07-2013 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by MEANGREEN231 (Post 3920851)
If you are certain you have eliminated leaking exhausts, then it sounds like a headgasket issue. unless you left water in the motor and it froze over the winter possibly cracking the heads and or the cylinder bores.

It seems really odd that just the front two are having issues.

could you post a video link of it happening from smooth startup to when it starts missing? You tube or something...

I'm in California. Do you really think that can happen?

CC230 05-07-2013 02:27 PM

Burnt valve that acts up when getting warm??

Seahawk 2000 05-07-2013 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by CC230 (Post 3920874)
Burnt valve that acts up when getting warm??

I have good compression. Would I still have good compression with a burnt valve?

raisingkane 05-07-2013 05:27 PM

http://www.earlycuda.org/tech/vacuum2.htm Head gasket

Seahawk 2000 05-08-2013 11:03 AM

:eekdrop:

MEANGREEN231 05-08-2013 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Seahawk 2000 (Post 3920853)
I'm in California. Do you really think that can happen?

I dont know does it get be freezing, where you are at in cali? Water turning into ice will crack metal easier then you snapping a toothpick.

If you think its a water issue, just remove the water from the equation as I have recommended prior. You wont overheat it idleing for 3 mins.

Seahawk 2000 05-09-2013 11:33 AM

:eekdrop:

Seahawk 2000 05-14-2013 07:26 PM

Well I figured it out!! STUCK VALVE. Did a leak down test and found air coming out of the #2 exhaust port. The reversion was from the open valve that was sucking water and shut down my spark plug. So I pulled the head sprayed WD40 on it and it went right back in but seem a little tight. No salt water reversion it's from the hose.

Is this happening because it hasn't been started for four months or should I look for something else?

What should I do to fix this?

GPM 05-14-2013 08:09 PM

Might want to take the head to a machine shop and have it checked, guide clearence, bent valve, worn out springs, just a thought.

Seahawk 2000 05-18-2013 04:08 PM

http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/...psa18a0c09.jpg

Well I pulled the valve out and found pitting on the stem. Same valve bent last year so I had a valve job done and it ran fine the rest of the year. The mechanic didn't tell me why the valve bent, maybe it stuck first. Coincidence that it should happen to the same valve? What causes that? Is there something wrong with the head / guide?

GPM 05-18-2013 08:45 PM

What brand valves are you using, are they Inconel ?

Seahawk 2000 05-18-2013 10:22 PM

That's what I was told.

GPM 05-19-2013 08:26 PM

Did you stick a magnet to it to see what it does, you might want to look at all of the valves.

Seahawk 2000 05-20-2013 03:46 PM

What should the magnet do?

GPM 05-20-2013 04:22 PM

Nothing if it's inconel.

Seahawk 2000 05-20-2013 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by GPM (Post 3928958)
Nothing if it's inconel.

It's not magnetic.

Seahawk 2000 05-21-2013 04:11 PM

:eekdrop:

GPM 05-21-2013 05:07 PM

Inconel doesn't rust.

Seahawk 2000 05-21-2013 08:08 PM

I didn't notice any rust. I could put it in water and see what happens.


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