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SB 02-25-2014 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4080801)
What lifters?

Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

MILD THUNDER 02-25-2014 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4080816)
Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

Ahh...the street lifters with the 700 wheels

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4080801)
What lifters?

not sure,I was out for a surgery and Tom the owner was contacted by ctroll.usually we buy isky rollers but were sold these "marine special" lifters and guaranteed they'd work.well I came back and fired up a motor and thats when I noticed no oil to the rocker arms.turned out I had to cut a groove up the lifter to contact the oil gallery.ctroll took a its your fault attitude.If he was in front of me when he said that,,well ,there'd be some problems for him.
we've built mre than 500 engines and this was the only time we've seen this problem.
then we had him cut us some marine cams for a blown 540,,lets just say the boat went slower than before.

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4080816)
Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

ctroll hope we'll forget.not gonna happen,and we will rimind everyone of the facts that he's a liar and a story teller,just so he can try and look authentic.

cstraub 02-26-2014 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4080730)
Sutphen30 is not nor has he ever claimed to be a business owner. He is just a person who has gotten your crap and been screwed by it, and the seen the results of it in multiple blown up marine motors.

Getting your website on Google page 1 takes about 5 minutes if the web designer has a clue. Just like anything else, as in a fancy website, it means nothing. Last time I looked, websites nor Google searches were any good at building motors or putting cams in them.

Bill stated he is not an employee of a shop and now your saying he is not in business for himself. Interesting.

cstraub 02-26-2014 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Mrcapsize (Post 4080761)
Would you be interested in slightly used straub cam. You can run 650# over the nose on it. NO WAIT MAYBE MORE! (oh and by the way what difference does it make when and what day i post?)

Sure call me and I will send you a call tag for the am and refund you. Number is 423 391 7774

sutphen 30 02-26-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4080930)
Bill stated he is not an employee of a shop and now your saying he is not in business for himself. Interesting.

ctroll,once again you useless wast of dna,trying to start something thats not there.

go make up a story and post it so we can pick you apart again,,you fraud.

cstraub 02-26-2014 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4080785)
yeah,thank god luck was on my side when I noticed your "marine special" lifters weren't suppling oil to the rocker arms.you cost me time to fix 5 blower motors.you are and always will be a screw up.now go hit the bottle and keep telling yourself youself your great.as for name calling,,your an azzhat and a buffoon.
anyone who uses you is dumber than you because they will get con'd by the conman of cams.
know what I wish,,you would just dissappear from our boating sites,because your clueless.

Damn now its gone from 2 blower engines to 5. Bill any engine builder knows there are series of lifters. Price dictates what they want to use. Morel at that time had the 4606, similar to the Pro Series Crane, and the 4845, similar to the Crane Ultra Pro.. Both lifters are in use today. We have a set of AFR heads hear at the shop. Marine build, 540, that was done 7 years ago. My cam and a set of 4606. It has 280hrs on these lifters no issue. I have 2 sets of 4845 that were sent in for rebuild. Not my cams and I did not sell the customer these Morels. They have someone elses name on the tie bar. Marine builds, na, 300 + hours. Point is Bill the lifters although 2 different series are used in Drag, Marine, Truck Pull, Circle track. The lifter has no idea what it is going to be used for. It wasn't the lifters issue of lack of oil Bill.

I've got great customers and they are all good people. You calling them names will ever concrete the idea of you never being in business for yourself. You don't treat people you don't know like that.

cstraub 02-26-2014 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4080816)
Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

Scott,
B2B ordered lifters from me. I drop shipped the lifters to the engine builder. I was billed by Morel for the lifters. LIfters did not come here. The engine builder was a customer. He ordered both 4606 and 4845 from me. Your wrong, it is there responsibility to verify that they got the right parts. The bill from morel to me was for 4845s. I sent a copy of the Morels invoice to B2B.

Morel at that time did not have the street solid roller lifter. The street solid roller is an encapsulated lifter with a .700" wheel. The body of the lifter covers most of the wheel. The lifters available at that time were the 4606 and 4845 in .842" +.300" tall.

Scott the last line of QC is the engine builder. Check clearances and verify parts is part of engine building.

Morel lifters still come in a kraft box today from some companies. This has not changed.

cstraub 02-26-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4080833)
not sure,I was out for a surgery and Tom the owner was contacted by ctroll.usually we buy isky rollers but were sold these "marine special" lifters and guaranteed they'd work.well I came back and fired up a motor and thats when I noticed no oil to the rocker arms.turned out I had to cut a groove up the lifter to contact the oil gallery.ctroll took a its your fault attitude.If he was in front of me when he said that,,well ,there'd be some problems for him.
we've built mre than 500 engines and this was the only time we've seen this problem.
then we had him cut us some marine cams for a blown 540,,lets just say the boat went slower than before.

Bill,
Coughlin called me Bill. Modifying lifters in the manner you are speaking is a patch for improper lifter bore clearances. I gone over this with John Callies on several occausions. Grooving the lifters or grooving the bores, Comp has tool for doing this to the lifter bores. If the bores are not correct when measured during pre assembly then this process can be preformed. That is engine building 101. I'm glad you posted that about grooving the lifter bore after the fact and you have it in writing now.


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