Recommended oil for my 7.4
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Oh you know everyone has their brand of choice
. It's like a religion.... I'm not going to agree upon 90%, however most applications do more than fine with readily available OTC motor oil. The technology utilized for additive systems used in passenger car oils these days makes some of the top 90's (true synthetics) look pathetic in comparison.
. It's like a religion.... I'm not going to agree upon 90%, however most applications do more than fine with readily available OTC motor oil. The technology utilized for additive systems used in passenger car oils these days makes some of the top 90's (true synthetics) look pathetic in comparison.
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Take this for what it's worth. Mobil/Exxon the largest oil company in the world and largest producer of base oils, states that high zinc levels thought to be mandatory in "flat tappet camshaft" engines is an overstated issue and that they side with manufacturers testing , and that most modern oils certified to current API standards( GF-5 for example) contain sufficient levels of ZDDP (zinc & phosphorus) to protect said cams after they have been properly broken in. I tend to believe what they say.
Just because a flat tappet cam fails later in life and wipes a lobe or mushrooms a lifter, we all believe it's the lack of ZDDP in the newer oils while none of us are chemists or tribologists..... Where's the proof guys?There's a thing called metallurgy that's likely to blame in these cases, not zinc & phosphorus. Most modern oils contain enough anti wear additives to keep a old flat tappet cam happy. However even the best oil can't rejuvenate some worn out turd of a cam. Just because an oil has high zinc & phosphorus doesn't make it superior, just as a group 5 base oil doesn't mean it's better than a group 4 base oil. It's the total formulation that makes a robust oil and matching it to the proper application.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1049812
https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...d_Tappets.aspx
ZDDP is a great additive no doubt, however my belief is that this "more is better mentality" really has zero science to back it up. As a user how do you evaluate one oil formulation vs another. Answer: you trust a company to tell you what's best. Because if you don't have thousands of miles of UOA performed followed by teardowns with two oils in a fairly controlled environment then everything is just opinion.
And just to clarify, this isn't addressing any individual members directly. I'm not an oil guru by any stretch, however I have spent a good amount of time researching it since about 1996, and if possible like to provide some food for thought.
Just because a flat tappet cam fails later in life and wipes a lobe or mushrooms a lifter, we all believe it's the lack of ZDDP in the newer oils while none of us are chemists or tribologists..... Where's the proof guys?There's a thing called metallurgy that's likely to blame in these cases, not zinc & phosphorus. Most modern oils contain enough anti wear additives to keep a old flat tappet cam happy. However even the best oil can't rejuvenate some worn out turd of a cam. Just because an oil has high zinc & phosphorus doesn't make it superior, just as a group 5 base oil doesn't mean it's better than a group 4 base oil. It's the total formulation that makes a robust oil and matching it to the proper application.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1049812
https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English...d_Tappets.aspx
ZDDP is a great additive no doubt, however my belief is that this "more is better mentality" really has zero science to back it up. As a user how do you evaluate one oil formulation vs another. Answer: you trust a company to tell you what's best. Because if you don't have thousands of miles of UOA performed followed by teardowns with two oils in a fairly controlled environment then everything is just opinion.
And just to clarify, this isn't addressing any individual members directly. I'm not an oil guru by any stretch, however I have spent a good amount of time researching it since about 1996, and if possible like to provide some food for thought.
Last edited by Borgie; 05-30-2014 at 01:12 AM.
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borgie,i am no oil expert but imo i can see no disadvantage to useing an oil with plenty of zddp.i use it in anything with a flat tappet camshaft and i have not had any lobe or lifter issues.unless someone can provide proof that i should not use oil with it i will continue to use it.
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What cooking oil should I use in my wok for chicken stir fry?
I've seen plenty of small and big block Chevy motors in both cars and boats wipe cam lobes back in the day when oils were supposedly "better" and had a ton of ZDDP in them.
I've seen plenty of small and big block Chevy motors in both cars and boats wipe cam lobes back in the day when oils were supposedly "better" and had a ton of ZDDP in them.
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i have personally never had a lifter or a cam lobe go bad in any flat tappet cammed engine i have ever owned and i have had a ton of them.is it the oil i use or am i just a lucky guy?i can tell you that if it wasen,t for bad luck i would have no luck!




