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SB 11-02-2014 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4212938)
you can cut a fuel fill hose and add a return there.thats how mine was for many years till I got my new tank.

Yup, like these from CP.

http://www.cpperformance.com/c-500-f...s-returns.aspx

http://www.cpperformance.com/images/.../620-76300.jpg

sutphen 30 11-02-2014 10:47 AM

that would be it.I made my own,but of course I have access to all the equipment.sometimes its just easier to buy.

sutphen 30 11-02-2014 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4212951)
I dont care how much pressure you throw at it, once you get to 1150hp or so, you run out of needle and seat area. Hence the dual needle and seat bowls become more needed.

I'd head for efi at that level.

Budman II 11-02-2014 05:22 PM

OK, so I have my other thread going on where several folks are advising that I sh!tcan my electric pump and install a mechanical pump. I took off a mechanical Holley that looked identical to that six valve pump that MT posted. I know I will have to go with a composite or bronze tipped pushrod with my billet cam. Will I need to run a regulator with the six valve pump? Will #8 lines coming from the tank support 580ish HP?

FWIW, I was running that mechanical pump with a Q-jet on my 454. I'm guessing it just looks like the six valve and is not putting out the same pressure, because I don't think the needle and seat on a Q-jet will take much pressure before it blows off the seat. I'll have to pull it out of the attic and take a look at it.

Budman II 11-02-2014 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4213134)
Qjet handles decent psi.

I like mech pumps over electric, but, did you prove your electric wasn't keeping up ?

No, I haven't yet. Was planning to take it out today, but work got in the way. Just thinking ahead in case.

SB 11-02-2014 05:42 PM

Qjet handles decent psi.

I like mech pumps over electric, but, did you prove your electric wasn't keeping up ?

Budman II 11-03-2014 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4213134)
Qjet handles decent psi.

I like mech pumps over electric, but, did you prove your electric wasn't keeping up ?

No, I haven't yet. Was planning to take it out yesterday, but work got in the way. Just thinking ahead in case.

Randy 11-03-2014 03:03 PM

WOW did not expect this, a lot of great info. Only now I have a lot more to think about, but I am leaning towards Teagues or Claysmith's pumps. Just have to figure out how to get it to fit between sea pump and block. I do have one more question, It seems that the lines between the tank and the carb have to be large, but the opening at the needle and seat is something like .030 so why do you need large lines to push through such a small opening. Just trying to understand.

Black Baja 11-03-2014 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by Randy (Post 4213558)
WOW did not expect this, a lot of great info. Only now I have a lot more to think about, but I am leaning towards Teagues or Claysmith's pumps. Just have to figure out how to get it to fit between sea pump and block. I do have one more question, It seems that the lines between the tank and the carb have to be large, but the opening at the needle and seat is something like .030 so why do you need large lines to push through such a small opening. Just trying to understand.

Randy you pretty much answered your own question. You are pushing the fuel through the seat not pulling. The smaller the hose/ fittings and whatever b4 the bump create restrictions and reduce the efficiency of the pump. If you feed the pump with a small hose then have a larger hose on the outlet side of the pump you also reduce the efficiency of the pump because you have to fill the larger hose before the pump can make pressure to go through the seat. It's the same thing if you do a regulator b4 the carb you are pushing through a small oriface then filling a larger hose b4 you can make pressure to go through the seat. If you use a regulator b4 the carb (I use it after) all you need is -4 after the regulator. I've seen a 3000hp motor run with -6 after the regulator and -4 on the dyno. Believe it or not it made a hair more power with the -4. I think the largest regulator out there has a .125 hole in it.

SB 11-03-2014 04:03 PM

Typical Holley N+S is .110. Many use up to .130". Remember times this by two since the Holley has two of them.

-6 to -8 into the carb is fine for 99% of Performance carb'd marine engines.

We don't have to fight high acceleration G's like automobiles, so that makes it easier on our fuel systems.

Edit in: We do average a ton more gph though. LOL.


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