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phughes69 04-19-2015 10:03 AM

I'm not going to point fingers but saying that pro 1 heads are notorious for a problem with out explaining what the root problem is is worthless on here. Our little community is built up of people who can relate personal experience and can tell of the solution to remedy the problem. I think we all appreciate everybody's opinion but mix some facts to back up your statement. Saying the pro 1 heads are notorious for problems: worthless. Saying that pro 1 heads need a longer stud that is 1.3" to prevent rocker stub breakage and that the stud protrudes past the boss into the head along with providing a part number specific for the application: priceless

dereknkathy 04-19-2015 11:07 AM

is there a valve cover that clears stud girdles and clears marine exhausts?

Black Baja 04-19-2015 11:29 AM

The Dart pro 1 head was designed to be a light weight head. They come in around 29lbs each. There race series come in around 45lbs each. Where did all the weight go. Maybe someone used there magical wand combined with a sprinkle of pixie dust. I don't think advising the OP to take a look at the stud bosses is bad advice. If you feel as though it's not a good idea to pay attention to this area of a cylinder head then don't pay attention to it. I've seen problems with intake and exhaust bosses with these heads. Was it a geometry issue? There is always a geometry issue its the nature of the beast and BBC's have the worst of them all. I've even seen a few sets of Pro 1's where alot of extra effort was put into the stud bosses to try and combat issues before they happen.

Tinkerer 04-19-2015 12:08 PM

The 598 is getting AFR 357 CNC heads with Jesel pro shaft rockers. And timing belt.

Tinkerer 04-19-2015 12:09 PM

Lunch is over - back to tearing the Daytona apart.

dereknkathy 04-19-2015 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4293922)
The Dart pro 1 head was designed to be a light weight head. They come in around 29lbs each. There race series come in around 45lbs each. Where did all the weight go.

ok, this seems like backwards land. the race series is 16 lbs heavier than the pro 1? why make it that much lighter if not to win races? when the race length is april to october and the winner is the one who spent the least time in the pits, one would think durability matters more than the boat being 32 lbs lighter.

ICDEDPPL 04-19-2015 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4293871)
I've seen several used dart heads, that have had incorrect rocker studs installed in them. Guys slap in a "general" set of 7/16 rocker studs, that typically have a threaded portion of .700, when they should have used the proper stud, that calls for 1.300 on the exhaust.

Thanx for pointing that out Joe, something I would not have checked.

Correct stud on bottom for my Dart heads. Top is what the previous owner installed. "it`s fiiiiine"

http://33outlaw.zenfolio.com/img/s10...63852700-3.jpg

MILD THUNDER 04-19-2015 03:40 PM

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The dart race series, are a completely different casting, than the Pro 1's. The Race series weigh 37lbs, where the pro 1's , weight 29 lbs. Thats actually 8 lbs, not 16lbs. While AFR doesnt publish their heads weights, I believe if you put one on the scale, they are around 32 lbs..

There is nothing wrong with the pro 1 casting. They have been used by many many offshore engine builders, many other forms of motorsport builders, sold by hardin marine, keith eickert, cp, and many other marine shops, as well as thousands of shops across the country. If their was a flaw in that casting, it would have been corrected a long time ago. These are not procomp heads we are talking about.

Black Baja 04-19-2015 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4293987)
The dart race series, are a completely different casting, than the Pro 1's. The Race series weigh 37lbs, where the pro 1's , weight 29 lbs. Thats actually 8 lbs, not 16lbs. While AFR doesnt publish their heads weights, I believe if you put one on the scale, they are around 32 lbs..

There is nothing wrong with the pro 1 casting. They have been used by many many offshore engine builders, many other forms of motorsport builders, sold by hardin marine, keith eickert, cp, and many other marine shops, as well as thousands of shops across the country. If their was a flaw in that casting, it would have been corrected a long time ago. These are not procomp heads we are talking about.

Thank you for the correction. I was going off of memory. 8lbs of cast aluminum is alot of aluminum. If you go and put big roller springs on these heads the potential for failure goes up. There are also limits with the deck of the head but I don't think you will find it with pump gas and a blower.

mike tkach 04-19-2015 05:24 PM

i ran 355 cnc pro1 heads on a blown alcohol engine with 340 lbs on the seat,8500 every pass,guess what,never had a problem.as i said,ATTENTION TO DETAIL!black baja,care to tell us exactly what problems YOU have had with a pro1 head.


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