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MILD THUNDER 03-16-2016 08:41 AM

Oil still gets aerated when the engine runs.

1MOSES1 03-16-2016 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4416454)
I prime the engines without the pushrods installed, completely bleeding out the lifters, prior to installing the pushrods. No problems here.

Regardless of how they are installed lifters will bleed down after sitting. If they are squeezed gravity takes over. Lifter noise is not a one time occurrence but a repetitive one at cold.

1MOSES1 03-16-2016 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by chefke (Post 4416450)
I usually don't post my opinion , but for all the problems I have read on this website about hydraulic roller lifters, and the advise of having to break them in with 5w-30, noise issues, collapsed plungers, This shouldn't be! Nothing worse than trying to do something right and then pulling intake manifolds to fix a problem. Those lifters are not Cheap! If the manufacture had to start paying labor to fix this crap they would be out of business.

Couldn't agree more. Not to mention the bill for the rest of the top end build!!! Only to have to take everything back apart.

Panther 03-16-2016 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4416469)
Regardless of how they are installed lifters will bleed down after sitting. If they are squeezed gravity takes over. Lifter noise is not a one time occurrence but a repetitive one at cold.

Of course it does but it bleeds out the assembly lube and helps prevent galing inside the body, especially in a dry lifter like a Johnson. I haven't had the clacking issues since doing this. It was something new I tried...always learning and trying new tricks.....

Also broke in with 10W/30 but run with 15/50 Amsoil.

1MOSES1 03-16-2016 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4416552)
Of course it does but it bleeds out the assembly lube and helps prevent galing inside the body, especially in a dry lifter like a Johnson. I haven't had the clacking issues since doing this. It was something new I tried...always learning and trying new tricks.....

Also broke in with 10W/30 but run with 15/50 Amsoil.

We broke in with 10-30 or 5-30...can't remember. Didn't make a difference.

fbc25el 03-16-2016 12:38 PM

I have tried everything. Priming with no pushrods while spinning the engine over, one full turn preload 20w50 oil. They still make a little noise till it builds a little heat. I don't know If valve seat pressure has something to do with this? I run 160 on the seat &470 over the nose I just put up with it.

KAAMA 03-16-2016 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by chefke (Post 4416433)
Try Gatorman, they are half the price, I've used them in four HP 500 Upper half rebuilds, quiet with half turn pre load. They will clear the sheet metal intake shield, and one of my customers runs the dog poop, out of his engines,,and no issues. Teague uses a lot of these lifters in there engines as well. I don't know how they will work with a crazy profile, but worked great with 500 efi cams

In the March 4th article here on OSO called; "Teague on Tech Revisited: Oil, Gears and a Combination Game" I read that even Bob Teague included Johnson lifters as one of the hydraulic roller lifters in his suggestion of lifters...

"Use Johnson Lifters or other high quality lifters that utilize the tie bar design in either generation engine."

Sonic30ss 03-16-2016 02:17 PM

Curious, who's lifter does Merc use in the 525 EFI?

1MOSES1 03-16-2016 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Sonic30ss (Post 4416624)
Curious, who's lifter does Merc use in the 525 EFI?

I beleive they use crane as does the 500EFI.

I looked up the replacement cost and hope I'm reading it wrong. $100 per lifter?

SB 03-16-2016 02:34 PM

I vaguely remember reading that Morels where shipped with a protective grease inside the bodies. As we all know, many things come usually with an oil protectant, and some supposedly grease. Wonder if this can be an issue ?


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