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Originally Posted by 33outlawsst (Post 4386377)

No salt water close to me............so I guess I'll keep em

I edited my post...and I wasn't trying to be funny.

Why did you make that statement

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Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4386376)

I appreciate the question and IMO, it's just something that should be considered in any budget for any off shore build...but valve train stability is one of my pet peeves. Are there thousands of engines out there running without one? Sure. Without issues? Well that could only be determined with a before and after comparison, I guess. The factory "automotive" valve train wasn't designed to run at 5000 rpm and at or near peak torque, max loading and peak cylinder pressures for extended periods like we see in off shore engines. Again, IMO, anything you can do to make the engine "happier" at those rpm's and loads is well worth the investment.

Thanks for the reply! In my perticular case running mild non-offshore engines, I will leave them as is. Good information!

Those webster girdles look nice for their price. Do they come with the nuts for 269.00?

I think they did, but its been a while........... these were specific to the AFR head, so I was told

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Originally Posted by 33outlawsst (Post 4386407)

I think they did, but its been a while........... these were specific to the AFR head, so I was told

I see they make them for dart heads as well.

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Originally Posted by 33outlawsst (Post 4386383)

Why did you make that statement

Not to hijack the thread but IMO the damper is no place to go "budget" on an off shore engine, let alone bottom of the barrel budget, which is what those dampers are. Looks like you spent good money on some other really nice parts for your builds...I think you would be well advised to replace them but again, JMO.

Dammit... now I gotta buy girdles too? You guys are killing me!

This is the only Girdle I wanna buy!

http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1MGWnI...en-girdles.jpg

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Originally Posted by Budman II (Post 4386145)

It was probably overkill for my build (mild 580 HP 489), but I used a rod bolt stretch gauge when I assembled the bottom end on my engine. What you are saying about friction really becomes apparent when you use the stretch gauge. I made several passes on the rods because I was under the impression that you still had to cycle the bolts even with the gauge. I did a couple of passes with a torque wrench, and I had to apply considerably more torque to the bolt to get the proper stretch on the bolt with the first pass or two than I did after they had been run through several times. In fact, I had to go about 20 ft/lbs over the recommended torque for the first couple of passes to get the correct stretch. I was also watching to make sure that the bolt returned to spec after loosening it as well, because the extra torque was making me nervous that I might overstretch the bolt.

Using stretch is not overkill, its just more involved, and you have to have the gauge to do it with. but don't get confussed between stretch and Tq.You only need to know the one that you are using. ARP gives you both on bolt directions. Their Tq spec is what their testing has shown that it should take to stretch the bolt where it needs to be. On their Wave Loc 7/16 BB bolts, they say .006-.0065 stretch OR 80 lbs Tq. (with their lube wihich is VERY important. If you use regular oil ts a whole different world). Some people will take a static reading of the stretch and then Tq to spec or close and read stretch and go from there. Most will tighten the bolt with a box wrench until it reaches stretch and be done. I've seen a lot of stretch where its no where near the Tq spec. but not usually by much. 20 lbs like you saw would make me question the Tq wrench. I trust the stretch gauge more than I trust most Tq wrenches unless its been calibrated recently.

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Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4386416)

You know what, maybe you should think before throwing out insults about the parts people choose to use, personally it kinda sticks in my A** abit, I don't care about your opinions on my builds their running just fine.