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HaxbySpeed 03-12-2016 10:04 AM

Scott, have you got numbers for an ootb afr 325 on your bench?

horsepower1 03-12-2016 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by HaxbySpeed (Post 4414851)
Scott, have you got numbers for an ootb afr 325 on your bench?

I'll look and see when I'm back at the shop. I might...

sutphen 30 03-12-2016 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by horsepower1 (Post 4414903)
I'll look and see when I'm back at the shop. I might...

or you could just make some up.

they probably didn't perform as advertised,but you fixed them up right,huh.

donzi matt 03-12-2016 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4414935)
or you could just make some up.

they probably didn't perform as advertised,but you fixed them up right,huh.

You just can't wait to take a $hit on this guy at every turn, can you?

mike tkach 03-12-2016 07:34 PM

kind of looks like deep seated hatred,they must have some history we don,t know about.i take no sides cause i like both of them.

Rookie 03-12-2016 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4414976)
i take no sides cause i like both of them.

Ditto. I really like S30 and have always respected his opinions and knowledge, Ive used a lot of it lol. horspower1 is new and an acquaintance of cstraub so I think that's where the shots are coming from. I'm just sick of all of the shots at everyone here. OSO has turned into a waste of my time now. I log in most days, but I'm now logged off within 5 mins. I use to think of OSO as some of the most knowledgeable adults on the internet. How dumb was I...

getrdunn 03-12-2016 10:36 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4415006)
Ditto. I really like S30 and have always respected his opinions and knowledge, Ive used a lot of it lol. horspower1 is new and an acquaintance of cstraub so I think that's where the shots are coming from. I'm just sick of all of the shots at everyone here. OSO has turned into a waste of my time now. I log in most days, but I'm now logged off within 5 mins. I use to think of OSO as some of the most knowledgeable adults on the internet. How dumb was I...


It's everywhere. The whole world is going to sh.t. Rarely a day goes by where I'm not litterally shocked at humans behaviors. Is it the chemtrails, vaccines or food and water were consuming???

SFOcean 03-13-2016 05:05 AM

Or the political environment we all live in...

phragle 03-13-2016 09:09 AM

Welcome to Salem, home of the witch hunt... We have a few residents who are not happy unless they are burning someone at the stake. We used to have a lot more residents,happy fun smart residents, but a lot of them left because they were sick of the stench of burning flesh.

sutphen 30 03-13-2016 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by donzi matt (Post 4414970)
You just can't wait to take a $hit on this guy at every turn, can you?

nope,,but his answer was vague,,its like asking if you own a certain car,,answer is a quick yes or no,,not,,let me look in my garage(then google pics showing you own one)
and fyi,I'm just giving it back to him as he does to others.If I or anyone not on their side pulled half the misinformation these idea stealers repost,he would bash them to death.Hax will find out in a few years when his combos get retold by them(as their own).Its in their play book.
just look at the new Driven Oil thread,BUP already posted that info 2 yrs ago.but now he tries to claim some new finding.Plus he could have just put up the article and not plug his buddies website,,do believe thats not accepted on this forum.

MILD THUNDER 03-13-2016 10:46 AM

Im sure haxby is capable of forming his own opinion. He simply asked if foxwell had flowed a set of 325 afrs.

getrdunn 03-13-2016 06:36 PM

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Just thought I'd post this for all to see. I can't support the authenticity of however take a look.

Panther 04-05-2016 01:25 PM

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Just a quick FYI. If you're going to use the Merc oil pain and dipstick, the EQ heads do not have the 1/4 20 hole in the head to the upper right hand side of the exhaust port and you'll need to drill and tap the head.

It's an easy fix, just an FYI for those who are adding these heads.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]553587[/ATTACH]

endeavor1 04-05-2016 01:40 PM

^^^ I used a step bit, opened the hole up on the dipstick hanger and moved it to the front

Panther 04-05-2016 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4424999)
^^^ I used a step bit, opened the hole up on the dipstick hanger and moved it to the front

Makes sense. These are MPI engines so there's a lot of bracketry up there.

Mr Maine 04-05-2016 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4424984)
Just a quick FYI. If you're going to use the Merc oil pain and dipstick, the EQ heads do not have the 1/4 20 hole in the head to the upper right hand side of the exhaust port and you'll need to drill and tap the head.

It's an easy fix, just an FYI for those who are adding these heads.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]553587[/ATTACH]

Same issue with my Dart 308s. I just used the bolt that holds the fuel water separator to its bracket mount. One other annoying thing is all the accessories on the GM heads were 7/16 bolts, and the Darts are all 3/8. Just adds more time especially when doing two engines.

SB 04-05-2016 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Mr Maine (Post 4425011)
One other annoying thing is all the accessories on the GM heads were 7/16 bolts, and the Darts are all 3/8. Just adds more time especially when doing two engines.

A good amt of other Aftermarket heads do this too.

MILD THUNDER 04-05-2016 07:52 PM

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Overall, I'm pretty happy with the purchase. While they flow better than my old heads, I like that but more importantly though, I am much more happy about the work setting the heads up this time around.

Last shop, I paid good money, like 2500 to rebuild two sets of dart heads for me. They installed new valve seats, which was half azzed done, weren't even the right seats for those heads, they probably had them laying around the shop, and installed them. Install heights were all over the map, some at 2.020, some at 2.050 , some at 2.000, not a single shim anywhere to make up any differences. Using a .680 ID locator, with a .740 spring inner ID, which was causing the spring to wear on the valve seals, retainers and locators showed signs of severe spring rotation, cutting into the steel on them. and set the springs up over 1/4 inch from coil bind.

The new shop I used, set everything up beautifully. No more varying install heights, springs setup .090 from coil bind. Each spring was individually tested for consistant pressure, and coil bind , which actually resulted in finding 1 incorrect spring in the batch of 32 that got slipped in the new packaging.

We opted to run without the little spring on the exhaust valve seals, like merc did on their supercharged engines, getting a little more oil to the ex guides. Added stud girdles, and replaced the crane alum rockers with Comp's new Ultra Pro Mag XD steel rockers.

hogie roll 04-05-2016 11:03 PM

I think steel rockers are the way to go. Bad application for aluminums fatigue life.

hogie roll 04-05-2016 11:04 PM

If you get your valvetrain sorted and spin those babies up, you should make some big power.

Panther 04-06-2016 04:34 PM

I like those rockers a lot and I've been running them for about 5-6 years now. I used to run the hi-tech 1620's but changed to the 1625 Utra Pro Magnums when they came out. They also give a lot more clearance under the valves. Also running them on the MPI's I'm building.

MILD THUNDER 04-06-2016 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4425551)
I like those rockers a lot and I've been running them for about 5-6 years now. I used to run the hi-tech 1620's but changed to the 1625 Utra Pro Magnums when they came out. They also give a lot more clearance under the valves. Also running them on the MPI's I'm building.

I was on the fence on either the 1620-16 Ultra Pro Mags, Or the 1820-16 Ultra Pro Mag "XD" rocker. the "XD" was almost 100 bucks more a set. The only difference supposedly is the pushrod seat being billet on the "XD", and their rated pressures they can handle. The "XD" is supposedly good for 1100lbs open, and I think 900 lbs open for the non "XD".

It was a tough call being a cheap bastard as I am, but went with the "XD"s anyway.

Good to hear someone else is using them with good results.

MILD THUNDER 04-06-2016 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4415294)
Just thought I'd post this for all to see. I can't support the authenticity of however take a look.

Since foxwell put up what the EQ heads flowed out of the box on his bench, here's what the AFR 305 and Dart 310s flowed on his bench as well.


Eppic disappointment.
I had the chance to do a back-to-back flow comparison comparing factory "advertised" numbers with actual flow numbers from a SF600 with a FlowCom and Audi swirl meter, 4.500 bore fixture, and see just what the truth is.
Heads are a good comparison for competitors:
Dart Pro1 310 as cast, bare, from Dart
AFR 305 as cast, assembled from AFR

Dart 310, valve job from Dart, REV 2.25 intake no backcut, REV 1.88 Inconel ex (tulip style valve), advertised intake @ 28" .800 (all they give you from Dart) 369 cfm.
Truth:
Left/right/ex

.2 140/141/111
.3 207/207/151
.4 271/271/192
.5 322/312/227
.6 351/329/254
.7 365/329/271
.8 341/335/281

The left port is not a mis-print. Very disappointing.

Next: AFR 305 as-cast, assembled from AFR with their valves, 2.25 intake with backcut (angle unknown) AFR 1.88 exhaust.
AFR as-cast advertised:
right/ex

.2 154/131
.3 223/176
.4 287/219
.5 335/251
.6 363/276
.7---------

Truth:
right/left/ex

.2 146/143/109
.3 209/210/144
.4 268/276/185
.5 324/327/223
.6 366/336/250
.7 361/343/262
.8 ---/345/271

The bowls are nicely CNC blended but transition from the seat to the chamber is terrible. The exhaust port I believe suffers far worse because of this than the intake.

getrdunn 04-06-2016 06:41 PM

So was the afr' left/right int the same?

MILD THUNDER 04-06-2016 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4425601)
So was the afr' left/right int the same?

No, but almost no big block chevy head is the same on the Left/right ports.

Panther 04-08-2016 08:45 AM

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One other small FYI on the EQ heads. My standard spark plug socket does not fit in the recessed area so I could not use a spark plug socket to install the plugs. I had to use a standard socket with a thin wall in order to install them. Just a heads up.

MILD THUNDER 04-08-2016 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4426221)
One other small FYI on the EQ heads. My standard spark plug socket does not fit in the recessed area so I could not use a spark plug socket to install the plugs. I had to use a standard socket with a thin wall in order to install them. Just a heads up.

What plugs are you using?

Panther 04-08-2016 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by mild thunder (Post 4426222)
what plugs are you using?

ngk r5671a-7

MILD THUNDER 04-08-2016 12:40 PM

Strange. I just tried two different spark plug sockets, a craftsman and off brand, both fit fine.

Black Baja 04-08-2016 12:55 PM

Snap-on socket works fine.

articfriends 04-08-2016 01:25 PM

Ran into same thing on my AFRs and KRE Pontiac heads, one of the 2 i had to even reduce the OD of a good snapon socket to get it in plug recess

Panther 04-08-2016 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4426298)
Strange. I just tried two different spark plug sockets, a craftsman and off brand, both fit fine.

Mine must be machined differently. Two heads the regular socket went in fine but a little tight. The other two heads were a little trying.


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4426311)
Ran into same thing on my AFRs and KRE Pontiac heads, one of the 2 i had to even reduce the OD of a good snapon socket to get it in plug recess

My AFR's go in ok for me.

Weird!!

Panther 04-21-2016 08:29 PM

The EQ's have a nice crackle...
https://youtu.be/2FlgQjgyc5Q

MILD THUNDER 04-21-2016 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4431102)
The EQ's have a nice crackle...
https://youtu.be/2FlgQjgyc5Q

Sounds good !

Gimme Fuel 04-22-2016 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4431102)
The EQ's have a nice crackle...
https://youtu.be/2FlgQjgyc5Q

Sounds real nice! What cam and expected HP?

Panther 04-22-2016 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by Gimme Fuel (Post 4431262)
Sounds real nice! What cam and expected HP?

268741, 540/570hp.

MILD THUNDER 04-22-2016 08:53 AM

You gonna dyno it Frank?

Panther 04-22-2016 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4431274)
You gonna dyno it Frank?

Planning on it.

MILD THUNDER 04-22-2016 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4431276)
Planning on it.

Cool. Mine should be ready for the dyno pretty soon.

F-2 Speedy 04-22-2016 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4426311)
Ran into same thing on my AFRs and KRE Pontiac heads, one of the 2 i had to even reduce the OD of a good snapon socket to get it in plug recess

# 5 hole on the starboard engine is real tight, had to use a thin wall 5/8 socket to get it out ( AFR )


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