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Panther 04-22-2016 11:02 PM

#2 done. I guess I'm done too!
https://youtu.be/fCdR7ldlUpA

MILD THUNDER 04-25-2016 07:50 PM

Hard to tell in a video, but , even though I knocked off 3/4 point worth of static with the EQ heads, the exhaust seems quite a bit louder now , and a little more raspy sounding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcH855XCCAk

abones 04-25-2016 08:00 PM

I like it, sounds Great

Rookie 04-25-2016 09:29 PM

WTF, a chiller? Did I miss the memo that you were adding chillers? This should be some interesting results. How hard are you going to drive it?

MILD THUNDER 04-25-2016 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4432513)
WTF, a chiller? Did I miss the memo that you were adding chillers? This should be some interesting results. How hard are you going to drive it?

I was 7% under. Gonna try 6% over.

I got a good deal on them, so gonna try them out.

Rookie 04-25-2016 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4432516)
I was 7% under. Gonna try 6% over.

I got a good deal on them, so gonna try them out.

Next time make sure you clear this with the OSO tribunal.
Carry on...

MILD THUNDER 04-25-2016 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4432521)
Next time make sure you clear this with the OSO tribunal.
Carry on...

Haha, all the cool kids are doing it !

abones 04-25-2016 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4432524)
Haha, all the cool kids are doing it !

That's what I hear!

Gimme Fuel 04-26-2016 08:50 AM

sounds Friggin Awesome MILD!

donzi matt 04-26-2016 10:16 AM

Sounds good paisan! How many bodies are in the trunk of that Town Car?

Panther 04-29-2016 09:54 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Congrats. I'd imagine they sound a little more snappy. I think we might be heading to the dyno next week.

In the meantime, been working on a 598" refresh and go. Found all kinds of unexpected issues from the original builder but I've addressed them all. There were only 100 or so hours on it. It's a shame... I expect it will make 850 hp when all said and done. Not EQ heads but Big Brodie O 351's.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]554820[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]554821[/ATTACH]

Cylinderheadguy 04-29-2016 01:59 PM

Just a quick clarification on some info in this thread. All of the EngineQuest EQ Cast Iron heads are produced and machined in our foundry in Auckland, New Zealand. The aluminum versions of the 320/360 runner BBC heads are produced through RHS/COMPCAMS. I cannot confirm the foundry location however they are pouring some aluminum in Asia.
Thanks for giving us a shot. We appreciate all of the feedback. Good luck with your projects and Happy Boating.

SB 04-29-2016 02:32 PM

Put $50 on 23 Black for me. Thanks !

Oh, thanks for joining up to say hi.

launchpad475 04-29-2016 06:33 PM

what exhaust gasket are you guys using on these, I had the round ones from my 088's but they don't like up very good.

MILD THUNDER 04-29-2016 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by launchpad475 (Post 4433888)
what exhaust gasket are you guys using on these, I had the round ones from my 088's but they don't like up very good.

I used a 1412 Felpro, because of the round port stellings headers. I did have to remove a little material from the top corners of the gasket. I used a dremel with a sanding wheel, to open the corners up a bit.

SB 04-29-2016 07:20 PM

Good questions and info ^^^^

Have any of you made sure that the exhaust manifolds or headers does not protrude (block) across any of the exhaust port of the head ?

Panther 04-29-2016 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4433901)
Good questions and info ^^^^

Have any of you made sure that the exhaust manifolds or headers does not protrude (block) across any of the exhaust port of the head ?

I didn't notice any issue with the EMI manifolds. I used a Merc exhaust gasket. I really like Mercs graphite gaskets.

Panther 05-03-2016 09:15 PM

Sorry, 570 ft lbs @ 4300 and 540 HP @ 5500.

MILD THUNDER 05-03-2016 09:53 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4435165)
Sorry, 570 ft lbs @ 4300 and 540 HP @ 5500.

Thats with a mild cam and thru the stock mag efi intake setup? Stock compression too?

Panther 05-04-2016 12:36 AM

9:1 compression. Stock MPI intake manifold with 3" of runner milled out. Power hit a brick wall at 5300. Only 3 HP difference between 5300-5500. It would make a lot more with a carb instead of the restrictive EFI.

Panther 05-04-2016 12:37 AM

509". 268741 cam

Black Baja 05-04-2016 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4435217)
9:1 compression. Stock MPI intake manifold with 3" of runner milled out. Power hit a brick wall at 5300. Only 3 HP difference between 5300-5500. It would make a lot more with a carb instead of the restrictive EFI.

I converted a 454 mag efi with eq320's a couple weeks ago to a dual plane with a small Holley. Customer took the boat out and called while still on the water and said "holy sh!t this thing flies".

On a 532 with Eq 320's at 9.5:1 motor made 650hp @5700 small cam. I bet these heads would go 700 with the right cam on a 540" motor. Spend some money on port work, tunnel ram 2-4's and who knows 750-800???

The 532 made 650/650...

SB 05-04-2016 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4435165)
Sorry, 570 ft lbs @ 4300 and 540 HP @ 5500.


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4435219)
509". 268741 cam


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4435217)
9:1 compression. Stock MPI intake manifold with 3" of runner milled out. Power hit a brick wall at 5300. Only 3 HP difference between 5300-5500. It would make a lot more with a carb instead of the restrictive EFI.

HE should really like the 130hp increase.

Yup, like 60-70hp increase going to carb. Been a few builds up's exactly same (including same heads(RHS,now EQ, identical cam, same 502-509cid and compression) with carburetors. 600-620hp.

EFI too using the Holley EFI intake
http://www.carid.com/images/holley/i...s/9901-203.jpg

Panther 05-04-2016 06:30 AM

Thanks SB. He's happy so I'm happy. It's going to be a completely different boat.

MILD THUNDER 05-04-2016 06:34 AM

Good info guys.

Black Baja, Im surprised the 454 made any power with a 320cc cylinder head. I was told a 320cc head on a 454 would equal a gutless turd :cool-smiley-011:

Seriosuly though, its nice to see theres another iron head option for us performance boaters out there.

Rookie 05-04-2016 06:59 PM

What are you guys paying for the bare castings? PM me if you want.

MILD THUNDER 05-04-2016 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4435462)
What are you guys paying for the bare castings? PM me if you want.

425 per casting shipped to my door

SB 05-07-2016 09:31 AM

MT - is your exhaust on yet ?

If not, and I mentioned this before, would be cool (and good) to see how the exhaust ports compare to the exhaust.

I kind of wish more people (including myself at times) would check to see if the exhaust manifold port openings don't protrude over the cyl head port openings. The times I had done this on automobiles, usually proved worthwhile,

Only takes about 15 minutes or so.

I've usually described how to do it, but looking for an article I can link instead, just found this on Stahl's site that explains it.
http://www.stahlheaders.com/ports.htm then scroll to 2nd half of page.

MILD THUNDER 05-08-2016 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4436297)
MT - is your exhaust on yet ?

If not, and I mentioned this before, would be cool (and good) to see how the exhaust ports compare to the exhaust.

I kind of wish more people (including myself at times) would check to see if the exhaust manifold port openings don't protrude over the cyl head port openings. The times I had done this on automobiles, usually proved worthwhile,

Only takes about 15 minutes or so.

I've usually described how to do it, but looking for an article I can link instead, just found this on Stahl's site that explains it.
http://www.stahlheaders.com/ports.htm then scroll to 2nd half of page.

Thats good info.

Ran mine on the dyno yesterday.

468ci
8:1 static
EQ heads
236/245 114 LSA .630/.630 lift cam
Stellings green headers with 1 7/8 primarys and 4" tails
B&M 420 blower with chiller

Ran in full marine trim, made 818HP with 8psi boost.

My last combo, was same shortblock, dart heads, 9:1 static, no chiller, same cams, made 800HP with no accessories, 2.25ID open dyno headers, 7lbs boost. Hard to compare, as major changes made, plus totally different dyno.

I will say, I had to add a chit ton more jetting to get the AFR's to where they were with old combo. Guess the boat will tell the story as far as if I am making more power in the boat.

Panther 05-23-2016 10:12 PM

Ran and made final tuning adjustments with the boat I built the MPI's for yesterday. So far I've seen a 500rpm gain.

No idea what speed but the old setup was spinning 5000. New setup is 5500 with full load of fuel and two guys.

I'm gonna guess mid 70's mph. I was too busy with watching AFR's while monitoring MAP readings and making tuning adjustments to the fuel table to see how fast we were going. But anyway, the 500 rpm gain tells the story of the power the package I built has over stock.

Panther 06-09-2016 10:13 AM

76 MPH on GPS and counting on a conservative tune. 8 mph gain so far. Still testing props.
https://youtu.be/r2QiV9bHmU4

Cylinderheadguy 06-09-2016 10:15 AM

Impressive!
 

Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4447927)
76 MPH on GPS and counting on a conservative tune. 8 mph gain so far. Still testing props.
https://youtu.be/r2QiV9bHmU4

That is impressive without a prop change! Nice job.

Panther 06-09-2016 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by Cylinderheadguy (Post 4447930)
That is impressive without a prop change! Nice job.

Thanks! Yeah, that's with box stock 25" Mirage Plus props that were already on it. It's spinning 5400-5500 with a heavy load and calm water so I have the owner trying the next size up and also some 4 blades to see what it does. I imagine it's going to see upper 70's when all said and done.

MILD THUNDER 06-09-2016 11:18 AM

Eexcellent !

MILD THUNDER 07-31-2016 09:46 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4436517)
Thats good info.

Ran mine on the dyno yesterday.

468ci
8:1 static
EQ heads
236/245 114 LSA .630/.630 lift cam
Stellings green headers with 1 7/8 primarys and 4" tails
B&M 420 blower with chiller

Ran in full marine trim, made 818HP with 8psi boost.

My last combo, was same shortblock, dart heads, 9:1 static, no chiller, same cams, made 800HP with no accessories, 2.25ID open dyno headers, 7lbs boost. Hard to compare, as major changes made, plus totally different dyno.

I will say, I had to add a chit ton more jetting to get the AFR's to where they were with old combo. Guess the boat will tell the story as far as if I am making more power in the boat.

Got a little run time on my new combo. As stated , static compression dropped from 9:1 to 8:1. Replaced Dart heads which were around 319cc runner after CC'ing, with the EQ heads, that I had worked a little. The EQ runners measured about 330cc after CC'ing when done. I added intercoolers to the combo as well. Running 7.5lbs of boost with this combo, old combo was around 6.5-7lbs boost. Typical day with the old combo, 1/2 tank of fuel, some gear on board, boat would run 85-86mph. (best ever with light load perfect chop was 89.9 with old combo). Yesterday, full tanks of fuel, fully loaded cabin with all kinds of stuff she packed for the weekend, we ran 87.5 mph, with a little left.

So, to sum it up so far, I added around 140 lbs in cylinder head weight, 40 lbs worth of intercoolers, 60lbs worth of mufflers on the back, I'd say close to 250lbs of weight on the transom. I can definitely tell she sits a little lower in the water at the stern now. I added pickup for the intercoolers that add a little drag they say, and lost no speed. So far I'm happy with the head swap. I definitely think 8:1 with 7.5psi with intercoolers, is a safer setup than 9:1 with 7psi and no intercooler.

While I never measured intake air temps without the intercooler, this setup stays right around 105-110 when up and running. Today I was getting on plane, and making around 2lbs boost getting it up and laying over. I watched the IAT gauges creep up to 140-145ish , then as soon as it layed over, and water began moving thru the core, temps dropped right back down to 105*.

getrdunn 08-01-2016 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4465708)
Got a little run time on my new combo. As stated , static compression dropped from 9:1 to 8:1. Replaced Dart heads which were around 319cc runner after CC'ing, with the EQ heads, that I had worked a little. The EQ runners measured about 330cc after CC'ing when done. I added intercoolers to the combo as well. Running 7.5lbs of boost with this combo, old combo was around 6.5-7lbs boost. Typical day with the old combo, 1/2 tank of fuel, some gear on board, boat would run 85-86mph. (best ever with light load perfect chop was 89.9 with old combo). Yesterday, full tanks of fuel, fully loaded cabin with all kinds of stuff she packed for the weekend, we ran 87.5 mph, with a little left.

So, to sum it up so far, I added around 140 lbs in cylinder head weight, 40 lbs worth of intercoolers, 60lbs worth of mufflers on the back, I'd say close to 250lbs of weight on the transom. I can definitely tell she sits a little lower in the water at the stern now. I added pickup for the intercoolers that add a little drag they say, and lost no speed. So far I'm happy with the head swap. I definitely think 8:1 with 7.5psi with intercoolers, is a safer setup than 9:1 with 7psi and no intercooler.

While I never measured intake air temps without the intercooler, this setup stays right around 105-110 when up and running. Today I was getting on plane, and making around 2lbs boost getting it up and laying over. I watched the IAT gauges creep up to 140-145ish , then as soon as it layed over, and water began moving thru the core, temps dropped right back down to 105*.

Good call and I would agree. Glad it worked out for you. I'm sure you had some concerns going into this but gotta be happy with the outcome. Just curious if you were able to leave jetting alone or did you fatten it up a bit?

MILD THUNDER 12-26-2016 06:12 PM

All said and done tuning, boat ran 96.6 MPH, with 3/4 Tank of fuel, flat water. Back to back runs, so thats not a 1 time speed. Thats with about 1.5-2psi more boost than the old combo. Same props. Boat gained a solid 7+ mph with the engine mods from last winter. This year, she's put away and leaving things alone. Might get the props tweaked, but other than that, I don't think I can get much more out of these 468ci builds. Which kinda sucks, because the boat feels great at mid 90's. I havent talked to many , if any, who have taken a straight bottom 38 Fever to those speeds, and how the handling would be. She's a little light there, but very stable, and no hint of chine walk or anything weird.

Rookie 12-26-2016 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4412828)
I havent totaled up what I have in them so far, but obviously cylinder head guys don't work for free, especially when it comes to working with iron. When I get some times, I will tally up my costs per pair when ready to bolt on.

Great numbers on a straight bottom 38 Fountain.
Any numbers?$?
As you stated earlier, they are a very nice heads out of the box and don't need much work.

MILD THUNDER 12-26-2016 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by Rookie (Post 4512994)
Great numbers on a straight bottom 38 Fountain.
Any numbers?$?
As you stated earlier, they are a very nice heads out of the box and don't need much work.

I wanna say, with the porting, milling, valve jobs, springs, valves, flow tests, wash and assembly, i was in the 2500 a set range. I pretty much gave my head guy, free reign to do what he wanted with them.

I did help a couple friends out with specing out a nice spring/hardware/valve setup for these heads, and for two heads, with all parts, it came out to around 1800 a pair. Thats isky springs, ferrea super alloy ex valves, 6000 series intakes, etc.

halfgassed 12-27-2016 08:20 AM

Impressive numbers on all aspects, cost,hp, real life top speed changes, excellent write up, thanks for sharing.

Who is your head guy? If you wouldn't mind passing on/pm me his contact info that would be appreciated. After reading this i think this is the way I'm going to go.
Thanks again
Matt


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