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bck 05-14-2016 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4438979)
Tony MAMO, if still at AFR would have fallen over if he heard other reps say this.

Listen, I'm all about theories and thinking about things too, but there are some tried and true's and this is one of these. But heh, you can't force someone to listen.

The thing is that as far as most run of the mill salesmen are concerned the tried and true is that single planes don't work below 6k. They are almost guaranteed to recommend a dual plane for any engine once you tell them 5700- 5800 max. To them the experimental theory is that you would consider running a single plane below 6k. I'd like to see an actual comparison.

getrdunn 05-15-2016 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by bck (Post 4439010)
The thing is that as far as most run of the mill salesmen are concerned the tried and true is that single planes don't work below 6k. They are almost guaranteed to recommend a dual plane for any engine once you tell them 5700- 5800 max. To them the experimental theory is that you would consider running a single plane below 6k. I'd like to see an actual comparison.

Ya the call was a spur of the moment thing but like I said even after questioning the rep about 3 times I just let it go and thanked him for his time. Rookie made a pretty good point and experiment with literally running each under the hatch with little to no difference until he did some engine upgrades etc with the single plane clearly making more power.

This kind of throws away engine building 101 in my opinion yet proven to work. Still interesting with Rookies test. Difficult to not take advantage of actual knowledge and outcome. Single plane it is. SB had interesting points about the rpm that I was not aware of.

While on the subject anyone run or have any input on Darts dual plane? Pricey unit.... They do look well designed though,

SB 05-15-2016 10:00 AM

quoting myself from another forum years back:


Originally Posted by sb
All100% VE to put on level playing ground:

302cid at 8100 rpm = 1,225,000 cubic inches of air consumed per minute

350cid at 7000rpm = 1,225,000 cubic inches of air consumed per minute

406cid at 6000rpm = 1,225,000 cubic inches of air consumed per minute

454cid at 5400rpm = 1,225,000 cubic inches of air consumed per minute

502 at 4800 rpm = 1,225,000 cubic inches of air consumed per minute

540 at 4500rpm = 1,225,000 cubic inches of air consumed per minute


getrdunn 06-19-2016 08:35 PM

So I now know I'm going with single plane. Continplating the Edelbrock sv-565. Any others with experience with them on a 555? Super victor? Victor Jr.? Profiler Sniper? Dart? Merlin x? What ever intake I end up with will end up at valakos to mate up and flow with heads.

4500 flange to fit 1050 Dom

Black Baja 06-19-2016 08:39 PM

Just put a tunnel ram with 2x4's and be done with it.

getrdunn 06-19-2016 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4451268)
Just put a tunnel ram with 2x4's and be done with it.

That's Exactly why I have 4 Holley 700's on the shelf just in case. Was my original plan.... Thought I'd keep it simple so ended up getting another 1050 to match other. Build one of each? Dyno both.

Maybe just look for a couple AMC Pacer engines and be done with it.

SB 06-19-2016 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4451272)
That's Exactly why I have 4 Holley 700's on the shelf just in case. Was my original plan....

Too small for a big BBC. About right size for small block. Yes, I know. 2 carbs on a tunnel ram.

getrdunn 06-19-2016 09:10 PM

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MILD THUNDER 06-20-2016 07:01 PM

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Sometimes, when you have a 570 inch big block, with ported heads, and goodies, the 30 year old "smaller is better" train of thought, goes right out the window. What applied to 454 build ups many years ago, doesn't necessarily apply to a modern day big CI engine. Back when guys thought slapping on a 1050 dominator and single plane, on a 8:1 truck engine was a good idea, and quickly learned that it wasn't. But, a hot 565ci in an offshore boat, would have no business with a dual plane intake, in my opinion.

here's a 572ci engine, making 800hp at 6,000rpm, and 750+ ft lbs of torque at 4500rpm. You can see what choking the engine with a 850 carb and fairly restrictive GM intake did, compared to a Profiler Sniper jr and dominator. Talking 50+hp gain from intake and carb at peak, and still killed it in torque at the lower end. Going smaller doesn't always mean more torque. Would the 850 carb combo be more crisp in a street car cruising around town with a tight converter , probably.

SB 06-20-2016 07:08 PM

Thus my airflow info on post #13 above. Sheds a lot of info + mental images in a millisecond when looked at it this way.


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