Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Technical > General Q & A
Target Air Fuel ration N/A engines.? >

Target Air Fuel ration N/A engines.?

Notices

Target Air Fuel ration N/A engines.?

Thread Tools
 
Old 09-09-2017 | 05:24 PM
  #141  
Hang Time 27's Avatar
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 190
Likes: 2
From: Annapolis, Md
Default

Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
All this fuel tuning talk. And some guys still think they can call a carb shop, give them cubic inch, cam specs, and get a carb that will have perfect afrs out of the box??
Lol - did exactly that wth a Biggs carb on my 540/600 build years ago. Did not have to touch the Dom on the dyno - cause it was perfect. Lucky? Maybe... Maybe not, lol.
Hang Time 27 is offline  
Reply
Old 09-09-2017 | 05:39 PM
  #142  
SB
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 14,090
Likes: 3,679
From: On A Dirt Floor
Default

Originally Posted by Baja Rooster
Are the Holley and QF power valves interchangable? I don't want the high flow units that QF makes. Or would you all recommend using the 4 door units and leaning the secondary jets down?
The power valve channel restriction in the carb sets the amount of fuel thru the circuit....not the Power Valve, If the restriction flows more than the PV, the PV becomes the restriction and that is not what you want, so you use a high flow power valve.

If you question hyat size your circuit is, get the high flow power valve.

Read that 10 times fast.

Edit in: yes, power valves from different manufacturers are interchangeable.
SB is offline  
Reply
Old 09-10-2017 | 01:18 AM
  #143  
Registered
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,888
Likes: 148
From: SF Bay Area
Default

Originally Posted by SB
The power valve channel restriction in the carb sets the amount of fuel thru the circuit....not the Power Valve, If the restriction flows more than the PV, the PV becomes the restriction and that is not what you want, so you use a high flow power valve.

If you question hyat size your circuit is, get the high flow power valve.

Read that 10 times fast.

Edit in: yes, power valves from different manufacturers are interchangeable.
Ah yes, thank you.

i actually had had the best luck using the 4.5 high flow PVs and pulling back the jets some giving me lower 12s straight across the board with a tad richer at wot. I just switched the primaries from #78 to #76 to see if I can lean the pig out a bit.
Baja Rooster is offline  
Reply
Old 09-10-2017 | 09:39 AM
  #144  
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,859
Likes: 791
From: St. Pete Beach, FL
Default

Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
I bet prob even richer than that.

Last night was seeing what some of the oem cars are at wot

Supercharged Z06 vette, low 10s stock

LS2 GTOs upper 11's stock.

Cadillac northstar V8, low 10s.

I put my wideband on my 454 Vortec dually engine, a whopping 300hp 454, afr at wot mid 12s . I wanna say after 60 seconds, it goes even richer . Never had a chance to hold it wot 60 seconds to verify lol
Those tunes are what it takes to avoid lean conditions on accels and under load. If you want to build an engine to last you'd be wise to pay attention to what they're doing.

A problem for the aftermarket tuning world is that they interpret an engine making more power as it "wanting" to run at a lean condition. Engine masters had to try to regulate this a number of years ago as all the engines they tested were pinging like crazy.

I'd be leery of targeting 13 especially in a boat. Even if you have EFI the cylinder to cylinder air flow is variable and you'll definitely end up with a lean hole. Just look at some head flow tests where they measure all of the ports.
hogie roll is offline  
Reply
Old 09-10-2017 | 09:41 AM
  #145  
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 3,859
Likes: 791
From: St. Pete Beach, FL
Default

Originally Posted by getrdunn
Hah. I'd bet btwn 11.3-11.5 wot.
laugh if you want, but merc does real endurance validation. Cycling between peak torque and peak power for some number of hours.
hogie roll is offline  
Reply
Old 09-10-2017 | 10:09 AM
  #146  
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 11,332
Likes: 73
From: chicago
Default

Originally Posted by Hang Time 27
Lol - did exactly that wth a Biggs carb on my 540/600 build years ago. Did not have to touch the Dom on the dyno - cause it was perfect. Lucky? Maybe... Maybe not, lol.
Did you monitor air fuel ratio's once in the boat at various rpms/loads?
MILD THUNDER is offline  
Reply
Old 09-10-2017 | 10:17 AM
  #147  
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 11,332
Likes: 73
From: chicago
Default

Boat "cruise" and car "cruise", are entirely different. Not remotely comparable. My car the other day, showed it was using 24HP to cruise at 70mph. Not a whole lot of heat being made. Now take a boat. Some boats may need 500, 600 horsepower to maintain 70mph. Hence why one engine is using a gallon of gas to go 25 miles, and the other is using a gallon of gas to go 1 mile at the same speed.
MILD THUNDER is offline  
Reply
Old 09-11-2017 | 01:03 PM
  #148  
Registered
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,888
Likes: 148
From: SF Bay Area
Default

I dropped the primaries from 78 to 76 and now it's 12.7-12.9 across the range with wot about 12.8. Does that seem acceptable to the OSO brain trust?
Baja Rooster is offline  
Reply
Old 09-11-2017 | 01:23 PM
  #149  
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 11,332
Likes: 73
From: chicago
Default

Originally Posted by Baja Rooster
I dropped the primaries from 78 to 76 and now it's 12.7-12.9 across the range with wot about 12.8. Does that seem acceptable to the OSO brain trust?
Sounds lean to me. Especially considering that scientifically, textbook gasoline engines make max power at 12.5 :1 air fuel ratio.
MILD THUNDER is offline  
Reply
Old 09-11-2017 | 05:47 PM
  #150  
Registered
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,439
Likes: 93
From: yorkville,il
Default

would i run my car at wot for a quarter mile with afr of 12.7,maybe.will i run a n/a boat wot for more than 20 seconds with that afr,not a chance.
mike tkach is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.