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Havoc40 12-13-2016 02:04 PM

This calculator is fun to play with when all the cam info isn't readily available.

http://www.cammotion.com/cam-timer.php

Full Force 12-13-2016 02:37 PM

With parts out of the box I think "L"

hotrodford 12-13-2016 04:08 PM

K is pick # 1 / C is pick # 2

MILD THUNDER 12-13-2016 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 4509258)
Isn't the real trick to figure out which cam makes the most power early - based on the average power from 3500 up.

Meaning like, say, 650HP is better at 5500 than at 6000?

30ftpanther 12-13-2016 06:02 PM

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mike tkach 12-13-2016 06:29 PM

from the info listed i will go with H.

NDH2O 12-13-2016 08:00 PM

This should be interesting. Are you going to average every 100 or 200 rpm?

kvogt 12-13-2016 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4509374)
Meaning like, say, 650HP is better at 5500 than at 6000?

sort of. Since it is an average it just as important to make power at 3500 as it is to make it at 6000. So your peak power is going to be below 6000. It is a game of maximizing area under the curve.
That's what I think anyway

mike tkach 12-13-2016 08:19 PM

if we were looking for power above 6000 rpm my choice would be different.

Mr Maine 12-13-2016 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by kvogt (Post 4509409)
sort of. Since it is an average it just as important to make power at 3500 as it is to make it at 6000. So your peak power is going to be below 6000. It is a game of maximizing area under the curve.
That's what I think anyway

That was my thought when I said D

weekend@burnies 12-13-2016 08:37 PM

I'll go with G

No Coast 12-13-2016 09:34 PM

I'd use cam G but put 1.8 rockers on for more lift. That will change the duration numbers slightly but I want the lift for high end flow. Great project, thanks for sharing the info.

snapmorgan 12-13-2016 10:20 PM

I am going to pick G, just because it is the closest to the cam that I am using. Although my engine is nothing like the one listed. G----final answer

offshorexcursion 12-13-2016 11:48 PM

Are we allowed to phone a friend?

sutphen 30 12-14-2016 05:13 AM

bottom of the page racing(BOTPR) says M.:D

TylerBurich 12-14-2016 10:34 AM

My money is on "J" .. We used this cam on a 10:1 533 and it performed well throughout the range.

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 06:39 PM

Im gonna start running some simulations tonight. :bong:

No Coast 12-14-2016 08:23 PM

Not sure how it relates to average numbers but I've always tried to get the max torque and horsepower to be the same. They will be at different rpm's but I feel the camshaft is maximum for the cubic inches when this occurs because the torque number is usually the largest. A bigger horsepower number usually involves higher rpm and lower torque peak numbers. If the torque max is larger than max horsepower it's usually down low the rpm range and high end horsepower suffers.

getrdunn 12-14-2016 08:41 PM

M then K and let's hope those abbreviations are incorrect. M on a 112 would neat to see. The 651 has a nice flat curve also.

Raizorsedge 12-14-2016 08:51 PM

I (651)

SB 12-14-2016 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4509700)
M then K and let's hope those abbreviations are incorrect. M on a 112 would neat to see. The 651 has a nice flat curve also.

:cool-smiley-011:::boat:



Originally Posted by SB (Post 4509157)
M then K. :)


MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 09:00 PM

2.5 hours later, and i'm almost done.

Why did i start this thread. lol I'm dreading having to scan and upload all these results. :poopoo:

I'll need you guys to let me know when you want to wrap up the voting.

endeavor1 12-14-2016 09:03 PM

Post the results:evilb: voting ended. . . Trump won:lolhit:

SB 12-14-2016 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4509710)
Post the results:evilb: voting ended. . . Trump won:lolhit:

He's stimulating himself, so I would guess it will be a long night. LOL


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4509673)
Im gonna start running some simulations tonight. :bong:


SB 12-14-2016 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4509709)
2.5 hours later, and i'm almost done.

Why did i start this thread. lol I'm dreading having to scan and upload all these results. :poopoo:

I'll need you guys to let me know when you want to wrap up the voting.

200 page mark.

offshorexcursion 12-14-2016 09:40 PM

Joe WAIT Bob didn't guess yet:whistle::party-smiley-004:

endeavor1 12-14-2016 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 4509720)
Joe WAIT Bob didn't guess yet:whistle::party-smiley-004:

Yes he did.... Just ask tim force:party-smiley-004::poopoo::angry-smiley-038:

getrdunn 12-14-2016 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4509709)
2.5 hours later, and i'm almost done.

Why did i start this thread. lol I'm dreading having to scan and upload all these results. :poopoo:

I'll need you guys to let me know when you want to wrap up the voting.

Joe I'm pretty certain many appreciate what your doing though. It's real decent of you. I realize it's not spot on however seemed fairly close from others you did in the past.

I have a favor to ask though and when you complete if you could use the winning cam with 305 AFR CNC heads. That would be interesting to see same set up with same cam only head change. Might do some side bets on that one if you'd post it some time.

getrdunn 12-14-2016 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by offshorexcursion (Post 4509720)
Joe WAIT Bob didn't guess yet:whistle::party-smiley-004:

He does this in his sleep. I'd say he already knows. But ya I was gonna mention same thing earlier. Hah

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4509222)
I ll take the 741 (but can you advance it another 4 degrees)

You ALMOST had it man. The 741 is the winner. However, once I advanced it 4*, it lost. :party-smiley-004:

The 741 Cam, made the most AVERAGE power, from 3500 to 6000rpm.

Eliminated572 12-14-2016 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4509722)
Joe I'm pretty certain many appreciate what your doing though. It's real decent of you. I realize it's not spot on however seemed fairly close from others you did in the past.

I have a favor to ask though and when you complete if you could use the winning cam with 305 AFR CNC heads. That would be interesting to see same set up with same cam only head change. Might do some side bets on that one if you'd post it some time.

It's amazing what a good set of heads can do... on an earlier simulation we went from a standard merc BBC head to 335 afr's and gained 90hp with same cam

Eliminated572 12-14-2016 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4509724)
You ALMOST had it man. The 741 is the winner. However, once I advanced it 4*, it lost. :party-smiley-004:

The 741 Cam, made the most AVERAGE power, from 3500 to 6000rpm.

Now how about the most peak power under 6k?

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by Eliminated572 (Post 4509726)
Now how about the most peak power under 6k?

Im going to upload all the results first, of each cam.

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 10:12 PM

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Here's the Lunati's which were A, B, and C in the group.

endeavor1 12-14-2016 10:12 PM

Phuck Yea!!! Winning just like Charlie Sheen:thankyouthankyou::evilb::wizard::bananalove:

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 10:20 PM

3 Attachment(s)
Here are the Cranes. All same durations and lift, only change is LSA. The 525EFI cam (114), the 741 cam (112), and 801 cam (110LSA)

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 10:32 PM

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Here's the 168771 240/248 114 LSA .621/.632, the 168811 242/246 112 LSA, .632/632, and the 169651 244/256 114 LSA .632/632

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 10:39 PM

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Heres the 169691 248/256 114 LSA .632/.632 , and the 168831 254/262 110 LSA .680/.680 lift .

MILD THUNDER 12-14-2016 10:46 PM

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Howards 251/257 110 .629/.629 and the 253/259 .657/.640

Baja Rooster 12-15-2016 12:27 AM

Nice work, Joe! That's pretty darn cool.


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