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HawkX66 01-04-2017 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4516020)
You are first saying you are thinking of running a .018 shim gasket, or a .027 gasket, or a .037 gasket. My suggestion, is/was, to run a standard .039 or whatever felpro gasket. Readily available, cheap, work well, and available for your particular situation "gen 6 heads on mark IV block". Will this increase the quench a bit, yes. Will it matter? No. Will the drop in static matter? No. Will running .037" for piston to head clearance be ok? Should be. Might be. I'd rather have a little more room. BBC's typically work well in the .040-.060 range. Being it isn't a competition deal, why risk it? You're running fairly poor performing cylinder heads, that don't do much for combustion quality, or airflow anyway.

The GEN 5/6 blocks, have coolant holes at the front of the block. Those holes MUST be blocked by the gasket, or , water will run right up and out the intake manifold, never cooling the rear of the engine. Felpro has this figured out. The 1037 Fel pro gasket, 4.370 bore .039 thick, fits Mark IV, GEN 5, and Gen 6 blocks. Bascially, the GEN 5 and 6, have holes in the deck at front of the block, that simply aren't used. Ever. The Mark IV blocks, do not have these holes at that location, even though some of the old gaskets had a hole cut into them. There was no hole in the block, so it didnt matter. Now, If you put on of those gaskets, on a GEN 5 or 6, yes, you would have an issue.

I'm not doubting what you are saying about the .039" gasket. Sometimes safer is better. I'm just trying to get as much compression as I can as safely as I can. These are Gen VI 502 heads going on a Gen VI 8.0L block. I saw the 1037 gasket and figured that's what I'd end up with, but I want to exhaust all options before I decide. I'll take a closer look at the heads to see where the coolant hole ends up.
What do you know about the heads? Seriously, not being an ass... I had them milled down to 108ccs for the compression. They had 118cc chambers. 2.19"/1.88".



Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4516045)
http://www.jegs.com/p/Chevrolet-Perf...86gRoCHjDw_wcB


THere IS an 8.0 block, its a tall deck...

Yes. Thanks.

https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5599/3...3c1fbd99_z.jpg

Lee 01-04-2017 05:47 PM

Lets see some more pics of that Camaro.

MILD THUNDER 01-04-2017 06:03 PM

Thats a Mark IV block in the picture?

HawkX66 01-04-2017 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Lee (Post 4516061)
Lets see some more pics of that Camaro.

Here's a couple. She's a work in progress. I just took it down off the rotisserie in June. I drove it all summer with a 408ci, then in September someone offered me a good deal on this 489ci. So, here I am... The body and interior are finished. I'm just waiting on doing the paint.

https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5503/3...ede92e63_z.jpg

https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5591/3...8f177c30_z.jpg

HawkX66 01-04-2017 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4516076)
Thats a Mark IV block in the picture?

No. This one isn't a Mk IV. It's all Gen VI.

MILD THUNDER 01-04-2017 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by HawkX66 (Post 4516078)
No. This one isn't a Mk IV. It's all Gen VI.

ok, for whatever reason, all this MARK IV talk, i assumed you stated you had a Mark IV block.

Anyhow, those heads you have, are standard GM rectangle port heads, that were designed in the 1960's. They havent changed much of anything to the design since then. Their combustion chamber design, and exhaust port, are lackluster by todays standards in bbc performance aftermarket heads. They were the standard heads on the 502 and 454/420HP crate engines, and everything from a 365HP 454 magnum mercruiser, to a 800sc supercharged 572 Mercruiser. I am pretty sure, they have 3/8 rocker stud bosses, unlike most earlier versions, that had the 7/16 holes.

How close to cutting into the intake valve seat did they get when milling to 110cc?

MILD THUNDER 01-04-2017 06:18 PM

Thats a cool engine GM came out with, for towing applications. 4.25 forged crank, vortec heads, etc. Pretty much a big brother to the old 454 L29 Vortec engines, like I have in my 1997 dually, and a bigger version of the old "tall deck" 427T engines.

http://www.gmserviceinsights.com/wp-...lock_crate.png

HawkX66 01-04-2017 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4516080)
ok, for whatever reason, all this MARK IV talk, i assumed you stated you had a Mark IV block.

Anyhow, those heads you have, are standard GM rectangle port heads, that were designed in the 1960's. They havent changed much of anything to the design since then. Their combustion chamber design, and exhaust port, are lackluster by todays standards in bbc performance aftermarket heads. They were the standard heads on the 502 and 454/420HP crate engines, and everything from a 365HP 454 magnum mercruiser, to a 800sc supercharged 572 Mercruiser. I am pretty sure, they have 3/8 rocker stud bosses, unlike most earlier versions, that had the 7/16 holes.

How close to cutting into the intake valve seat did they get when milling to 110cc?

The only thing Mk IV I was looking for was info about using a Mk IV gasket.
I did see where the heads could be either 3/8" accessory holes or 7/16". So what makes them Gen VI heads? I know Gen VI blocks will accept Mk IV and Gen VI heads with the right gasket, which has been my big question.
I haven't picked up the heads yet, so I'm not sure how close they are. I had them mill ~.050" and they're supposed to be good for up to ~.125".


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4516080)
Thats a cool engine GM came out with, for towing applications. 4.25 forged crank, vortec heads, etc. Pretty much a big brother to the old 454 L29 Vortec engines, like I have in my 1997 dually, and a bigger version of the old "tall deck" 427T engines.

Yep. I figured I'd throw a nice cam at it with some compression. She should make some decent power. Mine is actually a 19256818. It's slightly different than the one in your link, but the same idea. I don't think mine was a Vortec. I'm not sure though.

phragle 01-04-2017 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4516048)
I have never, seen a MARK 4 "8.0" liter block.

Phroogly, that engine you posted , is not a Mark IV block .

Novody ever said anything about a mk4 block. THere was mention of going from a gen6 to a mk4 cam and difference betwee gen 6 and mk headgaskets and cooling.

MILD THUNDER 01-04-2017 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4516089)
Novody ever said anything about a mk4 block. THere was mention of going from a gen6 to a mk4 cam and difference betwee gen 6 and mk headgaskets and cooling.

I see that now.
Whats your thoughts on the quench clearance? Do you know if those heads have the 7/16 or 3/8 rocker stud bosses?


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