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articfriends 03-27-2017 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4541046)
You arent taking intake manifold air temperature readings are you smitty ? I noticed on non intercooled roots setup, with carbs, man, the intake air temp drops when the throttles are opened. At cruise speed in the boat, even at 0 boost, the temps are hotter than they are at wot and 8lbs of boost. Id imagine the fuel has to have a decent cooling effect on the air charge.

I guess if you saw say a 20 plus degree increase in intake air temperature, along with the decrease in power, it would kinda make sense. But if the temps were nearly identical, then id think something else was going on . It really be interesting to see how a carb would stack up against port efi when its mid august and the ambient is 90+ degrees.

At 4400rpm, where shes down 60ft lbs, what was the carb setup timing at 4400, vs the efi setup?

As far as intake air, its negliglble right now with 60 degree intake air at tb

articfriends 03-27-2017 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4541046)
You arent taking intake manifold air temperature readings are you smitty ? I noticed on non intercooled roots setup, with carbs, man, the intake air temp drops when the throttles are opened. At cruise speed in the boat, even at 0 boost, the temps are hotter than they are at wot and 8lbs of boost. Id imagine the fuel has to have a decent cooling effect on the air charge.

I guess if you saw say a 20 plus degree increase in intake air temperature, along with the decrease in power, it would kinda make sense. But if the temps were nearly identical, then id think something else was going on . It really be interesting to see how a carb would stack up against port efi when its mid august and the ambient is 90+ degrees.

At 4400rpm, where shes down 60ft lbs, what was the carb setup timing at 4400, vs the efi setup?

As far as intake air, its negliglble right now with 60 degree intake air at tb

ezstriper 03-27-2017 07:25 AM

Smitty, I am not surprised at all by what you are seeing, I have have followed many intake/carb/EFI shootouts, one stands out as they did a LS one a while back, the carb setup had the most HP of all the ones tested, including several EFI's, again great work !!!!

articfriends 03-27-2017 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4541084)
Smitty, I am not surprised at all by what you are seeing, I have have followed many intake/carb/EFI shootouts, one stands out as they did a LS one a while back, the carb setup had the most HP of all the ones tested, including several EFI's, again great work !!!!

What size tb was on the intake you sold to rob, i am going thru his outdrives soon and if it's smaller i may borrow it from him

TooLateVTEC 03-27-2017 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4541165)
What size tb was on the intake you sold to rob, i am going thru his outdrives soon and if it's smaller i may borrow it from him

Im pretty sure it was either 1000 or 1200. I know thats not that much help, im still looking online for the one we had.

Thanks again for doing all this. I feel like we need to setup a GoFundMe page for you to help pay for the gas at least!

articfriends 03-27-2017 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by TooLateVTEC (Post 4541314)
Im pretty sure it was either 1000 or 1200. I know thats not that much help, im still looking online for the one we had.

Thanks again for doing all this. I feel like we need to setup a GoFundMe page for you to help pay for the gas at least!

I like to know im at least helping a few people, out of the little bit of tuning i have done this time i mentioned finding yet another stumbling point, motor dropping the green black batch of injectors out after a while. The cool thing after i found the high ect causes rpm reduction and threshold was set at 69 c, i have spoke to two people since then that have had this problem and never figured it out!! Guy named frank from Maryland told me he built a motor, tuned it for somone, when his friend drives it and comes off plane, it starts cutting out and chugging but goes away before they can ever see why. He opened up the tune while we were on phone and sure enough, the threshold was set the same, thats cool stuff, bam, ghost problem fixed by a key stroke!thats the kind of stuff that makes this stuff worth it!!

SB 03-27-2017 10:56 PM

156*F....what the hell ?

articfriends 03-27-2017 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4541378)
156*F....what the hell ?

Funny thing is found the 69.9 in several tines i had, frank found same number and a michigan guy found same number, the return number was like 65c, some stock tunes its turned off, some tunes its set at 98/99 c, now most boat stats are actually at 140 degrees? Not sure if thats true as ive never looked hard but strange there are 3 tunes in 3 different areas with THAT number!

ezstriper 03-28-2017 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by TooLateVTEC (Post 4541314)
Im pretty sure it was either 1000 or 1200. I know thats not that much help, im still looking online for the one we had.

Thanks again for doing all this. I feel like we need to setup a GoFundMe page for you to help pay for the gas at least!

thats sounds about right, we tried one of those big ones accel was selling and could not get the boat to idle, same one gimme fuel has I'm pretty sure, talked to accel and they had issues and discontinued them. PS Smitty, know you are busy...but damn how long before you call me back ??????????

SB 03-28-2017 06:29 AM

Smitty, Frank from Maryland (used to be from New Jersey) is Panther on these boards.


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