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MILD THUNDER 12-04-2017 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4597441)
i recently used a set of the comp short travel hyd roller lifters on a n/a 509 build and i liked them.i won,t use the morel hyd roller lifters anymore,out of 10 sets i had 3 lifters colapse right away on the dyno,this was during warm up.i had to replace the bad one before a dyno pull could be made.i think comp cams hit a home run with their short travel hyd roller lifter.

pricing looks good on them too

LTZCrew 12-04-2017 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4597381)
put johnsons in and call it a day...

are they better then say the cranes?
my thing is sticking or trying to stick with parts i can get over the counter or a few days away if i have something fail

the johnsons look nice but the GMPP stuff runs a bit cheaper, i know cheaper is not really better especially in a marine set up but if the johnsons don't stand a head above a OE part, is it worth paying more?

1MOSES1 12-04-2017 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4597441)
i recently used a set of the comp short travel hyd roller lifters on a n/a 509 build and i liked them.i won,t use the morel hyd roller lifters anymore,out of 10 sets i had 3 lifters colapse right away on the dyno,this was during warm up.i had to replace the bad one before a dyno pull could be made.i think comp cams hit a home run with their short travel hyd roller lifter.

doesnt morel make some of the comp cam stuff? that alone would worry me on the basis if comp cams decides to stop producing said lifter and source it to morel. They won’t tell anyone until failures start popping up.

1MOSES1 12-04-2017 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by LTZCrew (Post 4597449)
are they better then say the cranes?
my thing is sticking or trying to stick with parts i can get over the counter or a few days away if i have something fail

the johnsons look nice but the GMPP stuff runs a bit cheaper, i know cheaper is not really better especially in a marine set up but if the johnsons don't stand a head above a OE part, is it worth paying more?

ill put it this way...buy anything but morel.

morel makes 90% of the lifters out there. Ours failed within 5 minutes of running. Terrible. I’ve also read of multiple failures on this forum and car forums. Think mike posted his experience above. I opted for Johnson and they’ve treated us well.

mike tkach 12-04-2017 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4597614)
doesnt morel make some of the comp cam stuff? that alone would worry me on the basis if comp cams decides to stop producing said lifter and source it to morel. They won’t tell anyone until failures start popping up.

i can,t say if comp makes them or if they buy from someone else.i have heard all good about the johnson,s and i know the cranes are good.i am going to continue to use the comp,s.

Panther 12-05-2017 03:11 PM

Seems every decade this debate comes up and things sway one direction or another.

Years ago everyone was having issues with hydraulic rollers so tight-lash solid rollers were all the rave. Then fast foward some years, high RPM short travel lifters are/were all the glory along with micro polishing and pin oiling. Now we're back to solids.

Bottom line for me is that I've seen them all fail and I think certain companies quailty can fluctuate up and down over the years. Seen them all break; solids, hydraulic, short travel, bushed, you name it. Given the quality of metal we see these days, I'd still never go back to a flat tappet cam.

As someone said earlier, don't let them idle long. I've always found 1000 rpm and up to be the safe zone. Also, unless they sign up for it, I can't put solids in customers engines, they just wont have it and I can't adjust valves for everyone all the time.

Another day another dollar. lol

mike tkach 12-06-2017 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by Panther (Post 4597731)
Seems every decade this debate comes up and things sway one direction or another.

Years ago everyone was having issues with hydraulic rollers so tight-lash solid rollers were all the rave. Then fast foward some years, high RPM short travel lifters are/were all the glory along with micro polishing and pin oiling. Now we're back to solids.

Bottom line for me is that I've seen them all fail and I think certain companies quailty can fluctuate up and down over the years. Seen them all break; solids, hydraulic, short travel, bushed, you name it. Given the quality of metal we see these days, I'd still never go back to a flat tappet cam.

As someone said earlier, don't let them idle long. I've always found 1000 rpm and up to be the safe zone. Also, unless they sign up for it, I can't put solids in customers engines, they just wont have it and I can't adjust valves for everyone all the time.

Another day another dollar. lol

i would have went with solid roller cams except the headers need to be removed to get the valve covers off of my boat,at my age that is a no go.


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