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Go looking for more impellar parts. There will be some in the cooling system. Most definately jammed against inlet to oil coolers.
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I'm not looking at the engine now, so I haven't routed water flow yet.... is there a standard sequence, such as... oil cooler, then engine, then exhaust housings... or does it split and send water to multiple locations. I think i'm going to rig up some hose connections to flush lines back towards the pump, and just work back from each choke point.
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Well I found some diagrams... water flow seems to go like so:
raw water pump -> oil cooler -> PS pump cooler -> thermostat housing -> then engine (if T-stat open) & exhaust risers (always flowing) Can I assume that no impeller bits of significance would have made through the oil cooler? As in, if they made it that far, they would pass through everything else? |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4555144)
Being that those are flat tappet cammed engines, I'd run an oil that has a good amount of zinc in it. Diesel oils used to, but I read they have pulled some of the zinc out as of recent.
Originally Posted by 3pointstar
(Post 4555161)
I'm not a mechanic - but this is my two cents
1. I 2. I change drive oil every year - engine alignment check every other year. 3. All the best 3pointstar
Originally Posted by MTScott
(Post 4555981)
So I got all the plugs back in, tightened it all up and gave it a test start to make sure everything was okay before i started changing fluids. My partner was supposed to be watching water flow. Well he didn't take notice that the ears slipped off of the pickup.... i noticed engine temp start to climb and shut it down. Didn't take long, the impeller WAS working, it isn't now.
So, I guess I'm replacing it :). The impeller with some other parts (some sort of back plate) is about $70. The shop wanted to 2 hours labor to do it themselves, and they're charging $130 an hour, so I'll be doing this myself. This cant take 2 hours to replace!!?? |
This engine only appears to have one oil cooler, so I'm going to assume that there is only an engine oil cooler, and no PS fluid cooler. I'm rigging up some fittings to flush back from the thermostat housing through the oil cooler and out the outlet hose for the raw water pump. I can't imagine that won't get the bits out with the pressure from a water hose. Should I also look for bits in the Tstat housing?
Is there any benefit or point to pressure flushing the manifolds out through the exhaust? |
Just back flushing through the oil cooler will most likely NOT get the pieces out. They stick into the oil cooler tubes pretty hard. Do yourself a favor and just pull off the cooler and push the pieces out with a piece of stiff wire. Also, don't waste your time putting a new impeller in that old housing. get the whole kit with the new housing. I always put a piece of gorilla tape on the cups of the muffs to keep them in place.
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Originally Posted by snapmorgan
(Post 4557023)
Just back flushing through the oil cooler will most likely NOT get the pieces out. They stick into the oil cooler tubes pretty hard. Do yourself a favor and just pull off the cooler and push the pieces out with a piece of stiff wire. Also, don't waste your time putting a new impeller in that old housing. get the whole kit with the new housing.
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Well I backflushed this thing as a first pass, it seems to flow water fine, and there doesn't seem to be any built up pressure in the hose prior to entering the cooler (which seems to be a combo oil/PS cooler). I imagine you have drain oil, then disconnect all oil lines, and remove entirely. This looks like a PITA. Good lesson for me I guess... take care of your damn impeller - you don't want it in parts.
Do I really need to take this thing off? I'm not sure much water flowed after this thing went. Water was actually cut off (the ear muffs slipped a few inches off), so it wasn't flowing when it turned to dust, it was simply run dry. I've got 4 veins that are about 2/3 complete. The rest was dust and small bits and most all of it just fell out of the pump housing. We did try running it again after we determined we lost water flow at the pickup, but it wasn't pumping anything by that point, so I doubt it could have move much beyond the pump. |
All work done, pump fixed... running and cooling like a champ.
Thanks for all the feedback folks, I was able to get it out for memorial weekend, and we had pretty good conditions: http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...psylgd5gwj.jpg |
I thought of putting a large hole screen, like chick wire sized, in the hose between the raw water pump and the oil cooler(s) or put a strainer after the raw water pump(even better).. Would catch debris well..Seems these impellers are always coming apart..
Or replace raw water pump entirely with something totally different that was not such an awful design.. |
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