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hogie roll 02-01-2019 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4670722)
Why less HP with the EFI?

Carbs always win all else equal. Probably due to lower intake charge temps.

I think if your limited to a maximum idle speed, you could probably run more cam in the EFI setup and make more power.

Hot Rod 29 02-01-2019 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4670593)

Im using 2008 ly6 blocks. Chose these due to priority main oiling being gen iv which requires vvt delete. I went iron because of strength( found out how much a aluminum ls2 could handle the hard way at 22psi boost in the gto). Way less cylinder distortion. Also much less swing in bearing clearance while waiting for blocks to warm up. Msin reason is raw water cooling. I do not run in salt and am saving an astronomical amount of money by avoiding closed cooling. Mainly out in havasu and Phoenix.

i went aluminum 6.2’s for weight savings. 240 lbs in a 5000 lb boat is drastic. I am under 600 hp and don’t want to upgrade my drives. Mine are going into a P-29. I run in the rivers anyways.

mggdoors 02-01-2019 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4670724)


Carbs always win all else equal. Probably due to lower intake charge temps.

I think if your limited to a maximum idle speed, you could probably run more cam in the EFI setup and make more power.

Sniper efi is 800cfm. Pro systems venom 1050 annular is 980 wet flow cfm. Since I am running a dual plane and essentially cutting the carb in half I see the carb taking the cake by a long shot up top and the annulars still giving decent manners off idle compared to a down leg. I know the holley sniper is the same software as I use on my gto except I use the dominator efi. Very good tunability and self learning. Also the snipers ability to run without an o2 is a big plus. But the question is how much am I leaving on the table. I will also be running a single plane on my dyno run to see comparison

mggdoors 02-01-2019 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod 29 (Post 4670726)


i went aluminum 6.2’s for weight savings. 240 lbs in a 5000 lb boat is drastic. I am under 600 hp and don’t want to upgrade my drives. Mine are going into a P-29. I run in the rivers anyways.

240lbs in anything is drastic, especially when chasing every mph. I couldny justify the added cost and have already had the big hp blown big blocks in it and went way faster than I am comfortable at. I figure 110-115 is good enough for me. The extra weight, which is 93lbs per block, would give me another maybe 2 mph. Now being your doing a v hull the century mark is harder to come by and every mph counts. The p29 is a damn good boat. Keep us updated.

Hot Rod 29 02-01-2019 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4670742)

240lbs in anything is drastic, especially when chasing every mph. I couldny justify the added cost and have already had the big hp blown big blocks in it and went way faster than I am comfortable at. I figure 110-115 is good enough for me. The extra weight, which is 93lbs per block, would give me another maybe 2 mph. Now being your doing a v hull the century mark is harder to come by and every mph counts. The p29 is a damn good boat. Keep us updated.

its 120 per block. I just weighed them. I have a set of 6.0’s I was going to build.

I just ordered a set if those oil pans. Thanks for info.

I also bought extension boxes, raised the drive height, and some more weight savings throughout the boat.

mggdoors 02-01-2019 10:38 PM

Decision on fuel system is made. Pro Systems Venom VX 1050 annular. Now for the color. Haha. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...28b475a796.png

mggdoors 02-01-2019 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod 29 (Post 4670755)


its 120 per block. I just weighed them. I have a set of 6.0’s I was going to build.

I just ordered a set if those oil pans. Thanks for info.

I also bought extension boxes, raised the drive height, and some more weight savings throughout the boat.

You will like tge pans. For the money zero complaints. I did get mixed opinions from them on whether or not to use the factory windage tray as well as the pan windage tray. I will be running just the pan initially. I honestly dont even think with having to soace the windage for stroker that it will clear the pan windage. Hopefully you got a goid deal. I have an account through them and could have gotten you a break.

corey331 02-04-2019 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4670601)

Do a google search for ls engines in road racing, which is extended high rpm running like a boat, with the emphasis being on oil starvation and you will find all the info you can read. I should be fine with 10.5 oil capacity but no chances considering im already in there doung it. I may even run an accusump for when I get off the gas hard after long run and cold starts. Piece of mind. Out of all the toys I own the number one and only killer has been oiling mainly on the main bearings. It is my kryptonite.

That's exactly who I talked to when putting together my set up. Road racers and quite a few of the guys running the standing mile races. I used a company called Kevko Oil Pans out of Minnesota for mine. Between my pan, remote oil filter and oil cooler I'm at 14 quarts of capacity. I won't pump that dry!!!

corey331 02-04-2019 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4670719)

Thanks. Should be ready for paint tomorrow other than that waiting on pushrods. Then onto wiring we go and reengineering some tails still pondering on pro systems venom vx carb 1050 annular or holley sniper efi. Carb more power less dockability. Efi less hp more dockability slight gph decrease. Decisions

I think you'll be surprised by the dockability of the carb'd motor. I'm not running a carb anywhere near as big as yours (AED Holley HP750) and I'm running a single plane Vic. Jr. intake, but with the adjustability of the timing curve, my boat is awesome at low speeds around the dock. Better than my Merc 454 was that came in the boat. Thing also starts and runs like its EFI. I can leave it parked over night, go down to the dock and not even touch the throttle and it fires right up instantly and idles perfect.

mggdoors 02-04-2019 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by corey331 (Post 4671103)
I think you'll be surprised by the dockability of the carb'd motor. I'm not running a carb anywhere near as big as yours (AED Holley HP750) and I'm running a single plane Vic. Jr. intake, but with the adjustability of the timing curve, my boat is awesome at low speeds around the dock. Better than my Merc 454 was that came in the boat. Thing also starts and runs like its EFI. I can leave it parked over night, go down to the dock and not even touch the throttle and it fires right up instantly and idles perfect.

I agree with carbs having the capability of running well. I guess what I like about efi is the much more controlled idle and ability to idle it down a bit more. The quick fuel 1050 4500 annular is the best Ive ever ran. On my daytona (489 blower motors) lowest I could idle down to was 900 which was like 13mph. Way too fast approaching dock or trailer. So constant in and out if gear. I know alot has to do with pitch and ratio. But if I can slow down just a tad Id be happy. I actually have quick fuel 750s sitting on my shelf but would be too small for my application being a dual plane. I generally run off the 130% rule on dual plane. That is 130 of cfm requirement. Works very well. Regarding prior post you will be fine. Capacity is king. I figure I have about 14 quarts as well when everything is considered.


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