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SB 07-09-2019 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4695810)
Tried to PM SB but his box is full. He'll be back though.............

Nothing worse than full bad box. :)

Mbam 07-09-2019 01:46 PM

For sure something is damaged. A healthy engine will have a light flow of air & vapor out the breather, not puffing smoke.

The volume in the crankcase does not change as the pistons go up and down. For each piston moving down there is one moving up. Any flow out the breathers is from combustion gases getting past the rings or piston.

https://www.aa1car.com/library/engine_blowby.htm

Just for grins crank the engine with the ignition off for a few seconds. You can tell by the sound when a leaky or dead cylinder hits the compression stroke. Once you learn that sound the only reason for a compression test is to figure out which one (or more than one) are hurt.

PremierDetailer 07-09-2019 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4695811)
Can't answer that as it may or may not makes things worse. Your call.

When you get into the diagnostics and repair, keep us informed and ask as many questions as you fell like.

In the mean time, did the previous owner leave you with a detailed list of the engine build ?

Unfortunately no. According to him it was previously owned by a marina owner who absolutely loved the boat and bought it brand new and that's who did the full build on it. He only owned the boat for maybe 3 or 4 months and only put 2 hours on it before realizing his wife and 3 kids were a bad fit for this little boat so he sold it to me.

What further damage could I do exactly?? If the piston or pistons are already screwed, i assume it couldn't get much worse?? Maybe, well probably, I am wrong here.

Wally 07-09-2019 01:48 PM

If it were me id first start with a compression test...and if that doesnt point to one or more piston holes to look at i would then do a leak down test and make the call from there.......that smoke coming out of the valve covers reminds me of a steam locomotive! :D sorry dont mean to hit a guy if he's down....just making light of it ;)

F-2 Speedy 07-09-2019 01:50 PM

whats the oil pressure ? sounds like a bunch of rockers rattling, I wouldn't run it till the valves are adjusted properly

PremierDetailer 07-09-2019 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4695819)
whats the oil pressure ? sounds like a bunch of rockers rattling, I wouldn't run it till the valves are adjusted properly

Gauge says its right around 70- 80 but that's rather hard for me to believe.

F-2 Speedy 07-09-2019 02:01 PM

when you started it in the video did you have water hose hooked to the engine ?

payuppsucker 07-09-2019 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4695821)
when you started it in the video did you have water hose hooked to the engine ?

I think the boat is in the water Ken.

Wally 07-09-2019 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by PremierDetailer (Post 4695808)
Would it be safe to idle a mile to the boat ramp or am I going to need to tow this thing?

At this point i dont think you'll do any more damage to the piston or cyl walls then there is all-ready....if oil pressure is good and the motor will stay running and its not making any bad knocking noises then i say go for it to the launch ramp...
I once threw a piston and rod out the bottom of the engine cause the builder forgot to tighten one of the rod cap bolts....other then the fact all the oil was gone and it was shaking a little bit the motor still ran! i drove it home at idle for 3hrs to the launch ramp on the other engine then started up the hurt motor at the dock to load it on to the trailer! I was shocked

F-2 Speedy 07-09-2019 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4695822)
I think the boat is in the water Ken.

that things making more noise than a 8V 92 detroit

payuppsucker 07-09-2019 02:45 PM

Quick question...........what geographical location did this boat come from, or to be more precise, what ASL?

PremierDetailer 07-09-2019 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4695831)
Quick question...........what geographical location did this boat come from, or to be more precise, what ASL?

Originally from Illinois, then Michigan, now Ohio

payuppsucker 07-09-2019 04:12 PM

Ok. I was thinking it may have come from a high altitude area but detonation can be caused by other things besides lean mixture.

SB 07-09-2019 04:24 PM

Payupp - My box is clean. :)

PremierDetailer 07-09-2019 04:29 PM

Update, tried firing the boat with ignition switched off and it sounded like it was skipping through 1 cylinder?? I believe that was the sound referenced before?

F-2 Speedy 07-09-2019 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by sb (Post 4695842)
payupp - my box is clean. :)

tmi

payuppsucker 07-09-2019 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by PremierDetailer (Post 4695844)
Update, tried firing the boat with ignition switched off and it sounded like it was skipping through 1 cylinder?? I believe that was the sound referenced before?

Yea, like the rotation speeds up slightly.
Northern Tool or similar stores will have a fairly inexpensive boroscope tool so you can view the pistons.
You can also get one to use in conjunction with you phone.

payuppsucker 07-09-2019 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4695845)
tmi

Damn Speedy 🤣

F-2 Speedy 07-09-2019 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4695849)

Damn Speedy 🤣

me and CFM..............i mean SB are cool

SB 07-09-2019 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4695845)
tmi

See post #41

I like good head and clean box. You figure it out. :) :ban?::party-smiley-004::lolhit:

zz28zz 07-09-2019 06:50 PM

I had a fresh 383 that puked oil from dipstick tube when running it hard. Made my own puke tank very similar to yours and ran it that way for a while. I did help keep oil off the exh manifold (lots of smoke) Finally did a compression check and found a low cyl. On tear down, discovered a piston that broke off a piece just above the top compression ring. Suspect it may have happened when installing pistons (ring popped out of the ring compressor). Replaced the one piston and eng ran great. It wasn't an easy fix but I did get out pretty cheap compared to what the orig build cost. Best of luck to ya.

payuppsucker 07-09-2019 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by zz28zz (Post 4695862)
I had a fresh 383 that puked oil from dipstick tube when running it hard. Made my own puke tank very similar to yours and ran it that way for a while. I did help keep oil off the exh manifold (lots of smoke) Finally did a compression check and found a low cyl. On tear down, discovered a piston that broke off a piece just above the top compression ring. Suspect it may have happened when installing pistons (ring popped out of the ring compressor). Replaced the one piston and eng ran great. It wasn't an easy fix but I did get out pretty cheap compared to what the orig build cost. Best of luck to ya.

which is why I mentioned having a look at the pistons with a boroscope.

Wally 07-10-2019 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by payuppsucker (Post 4695866)

which is why I mentioned having a look at the pistons with a boroscope.

Just an FYI the harbor freight borescope wont fit through the spark plug hole and they wont take back electronics if its been opened. :mad:

PremierDetailer 07-10-2019 08:15 AM

I have a couple buddies who can loan me one probably. I will look into it today and see what I can get my hands on. Think I'm going to idle it over to the ramp and hope for the best. I had planned to take this boat apart over the winter and go through the entire thing structurally... I may just begin that project now if this is going to be a costly repair and require the motor gets pulled.

Wally 07-10-2019 08:37 AM

if the motors hurt i would look for a cheapo 454 and swap all the acc over and finish out the season.....i had one summer where i blew up 3 engines...long story but each time a motor blew up i found a 454 for about a grand or less...rolled some new bearings on the crank and rods and off i went while i had the original motors getting rebuilt...the thing that sucks is most machine shop will not get engines done fast no matter what the timeline is they tell you....i once dropped off a motor at a shop in October and told him i ABSOLUTELY need it by April 1st......didn't get it till mid May :mad: thats what you get with good machine shops that are busy...and this one was HEAVY into racing and had a car on the NHRA circuit so they kept pushing off jobs for some of their stuff... :rolleyes:

PremierDetailer 07-10-2019 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 4695935)
if the motors hurt i would look for a cheapo 454 and swap all the acc over and finish out the season.....i had one summer where i blew up 3 engines...long story but each time a motor blew up i found a 454 for about a grand or less...rolled some new bearings on the crank and rods and off i went while i had the original motors getting rebuilt...the thing that sucks is most machine shop will not get engines done fast no matter what the timeline is they tell you....i once dropped off a motor at a shop in October and told him i ABSOLUTELY need it by April 1st......didn't get it till mid May :mad: thats what you get with good machine shops that are busy...and this one was HEAVY into racing and had a car on the NHRA circuit so they kept pushing off jobs for some of their stuff... :rolleyes:

Not a bad idea, my question there is what would that do for my performance ?? Supposedly this 400 makes "500 horsepower" I'd beg to differ and venture a guess more like 400. I'm not well versed on this subject, but with the added weight of the 454 and I am assuming drop in power. I may be left with significantly less performance wouldn't I?? Getting back on the water for a relatively inexpensive cost would be nice though.

payuppsucker 07-10-2019 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 4695935)
if the motors hurt i would look for a cheapo 454 and swap all the acc over and finish out the season.....i had one summer where i blew up 3 engines...long story but each time a motor blew up i found a 454 for about a grand or less...rolled some new bearings on the crank and rods and off i went while i had the original motors getting rebuilt...the thing that sucks is most machine shop will not get engines done fast no matter what the timeline is they tell you....i once dropped off a motor at a shop in October and told him i ABSOLUTELY need it by April 1st......didn't get it till mid May :mad: thats what you get with good machine shops that are busy...and this one was HEAVY into racing and had a car on the NHRA circuit so they kept pushing off jobs for some of their stuff... :rolleyes:

He has a small block..........

Baja Rooster 07-10-2019 11:09 AM

It’s not unusual for power boaters to have a spare engine, or at least a short block on hand. It’s the nature of the beast. It sounds like this one is hurt and coming out, and my advice would be to start sourcing another short block and have the heads rebuilt by someone familiar with marine engines. Boat engines built by a car shop typically don’t make it much farther than the dock.

This boat would be a great great candidate for an LS swap, but if you’re not a mechanic then that may be a bit overwhelming.

Congrats on a beautiful boat!

Wally 07-10-2019 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by PremierDetailer (Post 4695943)
Not a bad idea, my question there is what would that do for my performance ?? Supposedly this 400 makes "500 horsepower" I'd beg to differ and venture a guess more like 400. I'm not well versed on this subject, but with the added weight of the 454 and I am assuming drop in power. I may be left with significantly less performance wouldn't I?? Getting back on the water for a relatively inexpensive cost would be nice though.

Ah i forgot you have the SBC that would be cheaper to find a good longblock engine then....if the heads are good then i would just swap the heads/intake/cam and lifters and all the acc on the outside of the engine and get back on the water....then either get that short block rebuilt and bullet proof and then swap the motors again in the winter to be ready for next year :)

underpsi68 07-10-2019 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 4695927)
Just an FYI the harbor freight borescope wont fit through the spark plug hole and they wont take back electronics if its been opened. :mad:

Milwaukee makes a reasonably priced scope that fits thru spark plug hole. I cant remember the model number??

PA.WOODCHUCK 07-10-2019 03:50 PM

Could do a compression and leak down check which would let U know where the engine health is, but I think it in serious need of a rebuild/replacement.

Full Force 07-10-2019 04:13 PM

Gonna find a hole in piston I bet, probably broke valve or detonated, that blow by is all cylinder pressure in the video.

Full Force 07-10-2019 04:14 PM

I would find a 350 merc for 500 and go boating while you fix this one gonna be a full rebuld I bet.

payuppsucker 07-10-2019 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by underpsi68 (Post 4696012)
Milwaukee makes a reasonably priced scope that fits thru spark plug hole. I cant remember the model number??

I have the Milwaukee and it definitely fits through the spark plug hole.

Craney 07-10-2019 05:21 PM

When you get that motor out make sure you put a bilge blower in.

Baja Rooster 07-10-2019 05:35 PM

Question... it seems like this engine is pretty high strung to get the power he enjoys. Would he be better off with a more mild set up and 177 huffer on top?

Griff 07-10-2019 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4696032)
Question... it seems like this engine is pretty high strung to get the power he enjoys. Would he be better off with a more mild set up and 177 huffer on top?

He'd be better off swapping to a mild 454/502.

Full Force 07-11-2019 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4696032)
Question... it seems like this engine is pretty high strung to get the power he enjoys. Would he be better off with a more mild set up and 177 huffer on top?

needs some time and education first, he said he was not used to bigger power, start small and work your way up..

hotrodford 07-11-2019 06:09 AM

motor looks to be nice . l am willing to buy it , if op wants to swap to ls bbc whatever

payuppsucker 07-11-2019 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by hotrodford (Post 4696099)
motor looks to be nice . l am willing to buy it , if op wants to swap to ls bbc whatever

I agree. Whoever rigged it did a nice job, especially given the fact that it has a little age on it.


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